I’m not even sure Stalin has anything to do with the specific borders being drawn, he likely would have just reviewed and approved what was written up before it was sent to the general assembly of Soviets. But he was also abit of a notorious micro-manager, so it is possible that he would have been leading the meetings where it was discussed, but so would have multiple representatives from the Ukrainian nationalists and other affected Ukrianian and Russian speaking Soviets.
Hell part of my understanding was that part of the reason the USR got Russian speaking lands was as a form of reparations for treatment under the Russian empire, though it has since been portrayed as Stalin forcing Russian speaking people onto the USR in order to control it politically. This, of course, makes no sense since the RSR already was in control of the land politically and allied with the nascent Ukrianian nationalists, and that until recently, most Ukrainians and Russians understood themselves to be ‘brother-people’ which has a specific word in Russian and Ukrianian. Basically, it would have required Stalin to not only understand and plan for post-Cold War Russian politics, it also would have had him understand and plan for post-WWII Soviet politics, and been explicitly against the brand of socialism that he was the leader of the faction of.
Hell part of my understanding was that part of the reason the USR got Russian speaking lands was as a form of reparations for treatment under the Russian empire
It had more to do with attaching an “internal industrial base” to the USR for their own section of the unified planned economy to work more autonomously within the union as Ukraine without the donbass at that point would’ve been an agricultural primary economy primarily filled primarily with primarily peasants primarily
After this, Lenin and Trotsky went to Tsar and said, “The Lord, the God of Proletariat, says this: ‘Let My people go, that they may have a special supper to honor Me in the taiga.’” 2 But Tsar said, “Who is the Lord, that I should obey Him and let Proletariat go? I do not know the Lord. And I will not let Proletariat go.” 3 Then they said, “The God of the Proletarians has met with us. We ask of you, let us travel into the taiga three days, to give a gift on an altar in worship to the Lord our God. Or He may send death to us by disease or by the sword.” 4 But the king of Russia said to them, “Lenin and Trotsky, why do you take the people away from their work? Return to your work!” 5 Then Tsar said, “See, the people of the land are now many. And you would have them stop working!”
Damn, can’t believe God was the Politburo’s nationalism committee headed by Stalin.
God = Stalin you heard it here first.
I’m not even sure Stalin has anything to do with the specific borders being drawn, he likely would have just reviewed and approved what was written up before it was sent to the general assembly of Soviets. But he was also abit of a notorious micro-manager, so it is possible that he would have been leading the meetings where it was discussed, but so would have multiple representatives from the Ukrainian nationalists and other affected Ukrianian and Russian speaking Soviets.
Hell part of my understanding was that part of the reason the USR got Russian speaking lands was as a form of reparations for treatment under the Russian empire, though it has since been portrayed as Stalin forcing Russian speaking people onto the USR in order to control it politically. This, of course, makes no sense since the RSR already was in control of the land politically and allied with the nascent Ukrianian nationalists, and that until recently, most Ukrainians and Russians understood themselves to be ‘brother-people’ which has a specific word in Russian and Ukrianian. Basically, it would have required Stalin to not only understand and plan for post-Cold War Russian politics, it also would have had him understand and plan for post-WWII Soviet politics, and been explicitly against the brand of socialism that he was the leader of the faction of.
It had more to do with attaching an “internal industrial base” to the USR for their own section of the unified planned economy to work more autonomously within the union as Ukraine without the donbass at that point would’ve been an agricultural primary economy primarily filled primarily with primarily peasants primarily
That makes more sense, since those areas would have been heavily industrialized.
After this, Lenin and Trotsky went to Tsar and said, “The Lord, the God of Proletariat, says this: ‘Let My people go, that they may have a special supper to honor Me in the taiga.’” 2 But Tsar said, “Who is the Lord, that I should obey Him and let Proletariat go? I do not know the Lord. And I will not let Proletariat go.” 3 Then they said, “The God of the Proletarians has met with us. We ask of you, let us travel into the taiga three days, to give a gift on an altar in worship to the Lord our God. Or He may send death to us by disease or by the sword.” 4 But the king of Russia said to them, “Lenin and Trotsky, why do you take the people away from their work? Return to your work!” 5 Then Tsar said, “See, the people of the land are now many. And you would have them stop working!”