• TreadOnMe [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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          I’m not even sure Stalin has anything to do with the specific borders being drawn, he likely would have just reviewed and approved what was written up before it was sent to the general assembly of Soviets. But he was also abit of a notorious micro-manager, so it is possible that he would have been leading the meetings where it was discussed, but so would have multiple representatives from the Ukrainian nationalists and other affected Ukrianian and Russian speaking Soviets.

          Hell part of my understanding was that part of the reason the USR got Russian speaking lands was as a form of reparations for treatment under the Russian empire, though it has since been portrayed as Stalin forcing Russian speaking people onto the USR in order to control it politically. This, of course, makes no sense since the RSR already was in control of the land politically and allied with the nascent Ukrianian nationalists, and that until recently, most Ukrainians and Russians understood themselves to be ‘brother-people’ which has a specific word in Russian and Ukrianian. Basically, it would have required Stalin to not only understand and plan for post-Cold War Russian politics, it also would have had him understand and plan for post-WWII Soviet politics, and been explicitly against the brand of socialism that he was the leader of the faction of.

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            Hell part of my understanding was that part of the reason the USR got Russian speaking lands was as a form of reparations for treatment under the Russian empire

            It had more to do with attaching an “internal industrial base” to the USR for their own section of the unified planned economy to work more autonomously within the union as Ukraine without the donbass at that point would’ve been an agricultural primary economy primarily filled primarily with primarily peasants primarily

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        After this, Lenin and Trotsky went to Tsar and said, “The Lord, the God of Proletariat, says this: ‘Let My people go, that they may have a special supper to honor Me in the taiga.’” 2 But Tsar said, “Who is the Lord, that I should obey Him and let Proletariat go? I do not know the Lord. And I will not let Proletariat go.” 3 Then they said, “The God of the Proletarians has met with us. We ask of you, let us travel into the taiga three days, to give a gift on an altar in worship to the Lord our God. Or He may send death to us by disease or by the sword.” 4 But the king of Russia said to them, “Lenin and Trotsky, why do you take the people away from their work? Return to your work!” 5 Then Tsar said, “See, the people of the land are now many. And you would have them stop working!”

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      To piggy-back onto this, if God were so concerned about the spread of evil, why wouldn’t God just address that himself? Why even permit evil to exist in the first place?

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    When Hitler occupied Europe, he met the first resistance in Ukraine.

    Ukrainians still showing contempt for Poles despite Poland’s help.

    What are the odds the first post-war Ukrainian neo-Nazi blowback happens in Poland?

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      No one hates poles more than nafo Ukrainians. Fascinating that their western larp is basically based on them being forced by the plc to be catholic.

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    Every human is equal and free to do what they please and that’s why god put us here so we can stop those other humans from being equal and free to do what they pleasei-love-not-thinking

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      lmao it’s so fuckin wild right? Like I been on the internet for a looooong time, probably longer than most hexbear users have even been alive and this is fuckin something else.

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    The Slavs would be a balkanized or barely federated series of principalities and city states if the Mongols never rode west and killed so many of them they were forced to band together or face extinction. Russia and Ukraine wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for this historical event. Does this mean Genghis Khan is God, or at the very least the will of God?

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    God: Creates evil, for the lulz I guess?

    Also God: you know what, the evil must be confined to the world’s largest country. I’m gonna make a cork with 1/30th the land area and 1/4th the population, that’ll do it.

    Also also God: you know what, while we’re at it, let’s make some rainbow colored shrimps that kill things by punching them really hard, that would be sweet.

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    (Imagine a white bonkers protestant) “God almighty placed the great nation of Ukraine as to defend the European believers, albeit them being fools, from the horde of uncivilized creatures that may be called Russian.”