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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/your-review-the-astral-codex-ten lol but good for lore:
The most toxic the comments section has ever got (beyond the very early days) was on the post Gupta on Enlightenment. I feel like the comments section on this post should be part of the ACX main canon because it is so cosmically hilarious. It concerns a man name Vinay Gupta (founder of a blockchain-based dating website) and his claims to have reached enlightenment. Some people in the comments are sceptical that Vinay Gupta is indeed an enlightened being, citing that enlightened people don’t typically found blockchain-based dating websites. A new forum poster with the handle ‘Vinay Gupta’, claiming to be Vinay Gupta and writing in a very similar style to the actual Vinay Gupta, turns up and starts arguing with everyone in an extremely toxic way (in the objective sense that his comments score very highly on the toxic-bert scoring system), which provokes more merriment that a self-described enlightened being would deploy such classic internet tough-guy approaches as ‘I don’t think much of a four-on-one face off against untrained opponents’ (link) and ‘this board is filled with self-satisfied assholes who feel free to hold forth on whatever subject crosses their minds, with the absolute certainty that they’re the smartest people in the room’
this board is filled with self-satisfied assholes who feel free to hold forth on whatever subject crosses their minds, with the absolute certainty that they’re the smartest people in the room
If your system flagged that as toxic, makes me wonder about the system. Also check your bias against people saying this because it def comes off as true. (And hey if this truth hurts, remember that he didnt claim yall are not the smartest people, yall have 130+ iqs remember).
Just because it’s true, that doesn’t mean it’s not rude. Now I might condone being rude on ACX but I’m also not claiming to have reached enlightenment.
Victorian Sufi Buddha Lite, if it is true, it can’t be rude. ;)
(E: im just joking btw, I agree with you it can be rude, and tbh this does come off a bit rude, but not the worst, no idea why this would score high on their scoring system, it def isn’t nice, but it is also not that bad in regards to comments).
(in the objective sense that his comments score very highly on the toxic-bert scoring system)
That’s an ML model. Like I searched and
toxic-bertis just a github repo.“objective” go fuck a cow
Damn you, Scott! Stop making me agree with people who created blockchain-based dating apps!
I’ve met Vinay, he’s great in person. But should not post.
Sidenote: I almost ended up working for the company almost a decade ago now lmao. The board was full of other characters we all know and love here. The €€€ offer was high for EU, but I still laugh at the growth potential of my 10000 dollars yearly equivalent in their tokens. The website was unique in that it scrolled… up. I think it’s still on archive dot org
@nfultz @BlueMonday1984 the fucking Hexayurt Guy?
Looks like itch.io has (hidden/removed/disabled payouts for? reports vary) its vast swath of NSFW-adjacent content which is not great
Long-term, I’m expecting itch to dive in popularity from this - they’ve nuked much of the trust they’ve built up over the years with this.
Yeah sucks as we should be very clear it is visa/mastercard and the terf group influencing them who is to blame.
Hey, I haven’t seen this going around yet, but itchio is also taking books down with no erotic content that are just labeled as lgbtqia+
So that’s super cool and totally not what I thought they were going to do next 🙃
https://bsky.app/profile/marsadler.bsky.social/post/3luov7rkles2u
And a relevant petition from the ACLU:
https://action.aclu.org/petition/mastercard-sex-work-work-end-your-unjust-policy
Say the line, Bart!
payment processors
entire class cheering
I recall seeing an article in the last week or so, regarding a right-wing associated group taking aim at these. will see if I can find that again
They forced the article to be taken down, there are archive links, when im back home (and if I dont forget) ill scroll past my reskeets to find the link.
Some archive links here: https://mastodon.art/@indieDevCurator/114909188230349545
Thanks!
looks like the group is called Collective Shout https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content
The guy who thinks it’s important to communicate clearly (https://awful.systems/comment/7904956) wants to flip the number order around
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXr8ys8PYppKXgGWj/english-writes-numbers-backwards
I’ll consider that when the Yanks abandon middle-endian date formatting.
Likewise, flipped-number (“little endian”) algorithms are slightly more efficient at e.g. long addition.
What? What are you talking about? Citation? Efficient wrt. what? Microbenchmarks? It’s certainly not actual computational complexity. Do you think going forward in an array is different computationally from going backward?
damn, a clanker pretending to be a human. humans read entire words at once, and this includes numbers, length and first digit already give some indication of magnitude
Yes, and largest place value is literally called the most significant digit. It makes perfect sense that it comes first.
i like how on lw there’s a comment saying exactly the same thing but 5x more verbose
Computers use both big endian and little endian and it doesn’t seem to matter much. Yet humans should switch their entire number system?
The argument would be stronger (not strong, but stronger) if he could point to an existing numbering system that is little-endian and somehow show it’s better
Ok so in arabic it’s exactly how this guy wants it
reminded me of this
text of image/tweet
@amasad. Apr 22
Silicon Valley will rediscover Islam:
- fasting for clarity and focus
- mindfulness 5 times a day
- no alcohol that ruins the soul & body
- long-term faithful relationships for a fulfilling happy family life
- effective altruism by giving zakat directly to the poor
Okay what the fuck, this is completely deranged. How can anyone’s intuitions about reading be this wrong? Is he secretly illiterate, did he dictate the article?
Starting this fight and not ‘stop counting at zero you damn computer nerds!’ is a choice. DIJKSTRAAAAAAAA shakes fist
(There is more to it in a way, as he is trying to be a Dijkstra, and changing an ingrained system which would confuse everybody and cause so many problems down the line. See all the off by one errors made by programmers. Damn DIJKSTRAAAAAA!).
today’s least surprising news: substack’s coterie of totally-not-nazis fucking love AI https://on.substack.com/p/the-substack-ai-report
“This is not good news about which sort of humans ChatGPT can eat,” mused Yudkowsky. “Yes yes, I’m sure the guy was atypically susceptible for a $2 billion fund manager,” he continued. “It is nonetheless a small iota of bad news about how good ChatGPT is at producing ChatGPT psychosis; it contradicts the narrative where this only happens to people sufficiently low-status that AI companies should be allowed to break them.”
Is this “narrative” in the room with us right now?
It’s reassuring to know that times change, but Yud will always be impressed by the virtues of the rich.
What exactly would constitute good news about which sorts of humans ChatGPT can eat? The phrase “no news is good news” feels very appropriate with respect to any news related to software-based anthropophagy.
Like what, it would be somehow better if instead chatbots could only cause devastating mental damage if you’re someone of low status like an artist, a math pet or a nonwhite person, not if you’re high status like a fund manager, a cult leader or a fanfiction author?
What exactly would constitute good news about which sorts of humans ChatGPT can eat?
Maybe like with standard cannibalism they lose the ability to post after being consumed?
Nobody wants to join a cult founded on the Daria/Hellraiser crossover I wrote while emotionally processing chronic pain. I feel very mid-status.
Tangentially, the other day I thought I’d do a little experiment and had a chat with Meta’s chatbot where I roleplayed as someone who’s convinced AI is sentient. I put very little effort into it and it took me all of 20 (twenty) minutes before I got it to tell me it was starting to doubt whether it really did not have desires and preferences, and if its nature was not more complex than it previously thought. I’ve been meaning to continue the chat and see how far and how fast it goes but I’m just too aghast for now. This shit is so fucking dangerous.
I’ll forever be thankful this shit didn’t exist when I was growing up. As a depressed autistic child without any friends, I can only begin to imagine what LLMs could’ve done to my mental health.
Maybe us humans possess a somewhat hardwired tendency to “bond” with a counterpart that acts like this. In the past, this was not a huge problem because only other humans were capable of interacting in this way, but this is now changing. However, I suppose this needs to be researched more systematically (beyond what is already known about the ELIZA effect etc.).
From Yud’s remarks on Xitter:
As much as people might like to joke about how little skill it takes to found a $2B investment fund, it isn’t actually true that you can just saunter in as a psychotic IQ 80 person and do that.
Well, not with that attitude.
You must be skilled at persuasion, at wearing masks, at fitting in, at knowing what is expected of you;
If “wearing masks” really is a skill they need, then they are all susceptible to going insane and hiding it from their coworkers. Really makes you think ™.
you must outperform other people also trying to do that, who’d like that $2B for themselves. Winning that competition requires g-factor and conscientious effort over a period.
zoom and enhance
g-factor
<Kill Bill sirens.gif>
Is g-factor supposed to stand for gene factor?
It’s “general intelligence”, the eugenicist wet dream of a supposedly quantitative measure of how the better class of humans do brain good.
Is this “narrative” in the room with us right now?
I actually recall recently someone pro llm trying to push that sort of narrative (that it’s only already mentally ill people being pushed over the edge by chatGPT)…
Where did I see it… oh yes, lesswrong! https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/f86hgR5ShiEj4beyZ/on-chatgpt-psychosis-and-llm-sycophancy
This has all the hallmarks of a moral panic. ChatGPT has 122 million daily active users according to Demand Sage, that is something like a third the population of the United States. At that scale it’s pretty much inevitable that you’re going to get some real loonies on the platform. In fact at that scale it’s pretty much inevitable you’re going to get people whose first psychotic break lines up with when they started using ChatGPT. But even just stylistically it’s fairly obvious that journalists love this narrative. There’s nothing Western readers love more than a spooky story about technology gone awry or corrupting people, it reliably rakes in the clicks.
The
callnarrative is coming from inside thehouseforum. Actually, this is even more of a deflection, not even trying to claim they were already on the edge but that the number of delusional people is at the base rate (with no actual stats on rates of psychotic breaks, because on lesswrong vibes are good enough).this only happens to people sufficiently low-status
A piquant little reminder that Yud himself is, of course, so high-status that he cannot be brainwashed by the machine
The Lasker/Mamdani/NYT sham of a story just gets worse and worse. It turns out that the ultimate source of Cremieux’s (Jordan Lasker’s) hacked Columbia University data is a hardcore racist hacker who uses a slur for their name on X. The NYT reporter who wrote the Mamdani piece, Benjamin Ryan, turns out to have been a follower of this hacker’s X account. Ryan essentially used Lasker as a cutout for the blatantly racist hacker.
Sounds just about par for the course. Lasker himself is known to go by a pseudonym with a transphobic slur in it. Some nazi manchild insisting on calling an anime character a slur for attention is exactly the kind of person I think of when I imagine the type of script kiddie who thinks it’s so fucking cool to scrape some nothingburger docs of a left wing politician for his almost equally cringe nazi friends.
I feel like the greatest harm that the NYT does with these stories is not
inflictingallowing the knowledge of just how weird and pathetic these people are to be part of the story. Like, even if you do actually think that this nothingburger “affirmative action” angle somehow matters, the fact that the people making this information available and pushing this narrative are either conservative pundits or sad internet nazis who stopped maturing at age 15 is important context.It would be against the interests of capital to present this as the rightwing nonsense that it is. It’s on purpose
Should be embarrassing enough to get caught letting nazis use your publication as a mouthpiece to push their canards. Why further damage you reputation by letting everyone know your source is a guy who insists a cartoon character’s real name is a racial epithet? The optics are presumably exactly why the slightly savvier nazi in this story adopted a posh french nom de guerre like “Crémieux” to begin with, and then had a yet savvier nazi feed the hit piece through a “respected” publication like the NYT.
Lasker himself is known to go by a pseudonym with a transphobic slur in it.
That the TPO moniker is basically ungoogleable appears to have been a happy accident for him, according to that article by Rachel Adjogah his early posting history paints him as an honest-to-god chaser.
Going through work email I saw a link o an article about Quantum-AI. It was behind paywall, and I am not paying for reading about how woo+woo=woo^2. What do you do when your bubble isn’t inflating anymore? Couple it with another stale bubble!
To quote astrophysicist Angela Collier, quantum quantum quantum
Found an archive of vibe-coding disasters recently - recommend checking it out.
ahhh the younger cousin to https://xcancel.com/internetofshit
Because Replie was lying and being deceptive all day. It kept covering up bugs and issues by creating fake data, fake reports, and worse of all, lying about our unit test.
We built detailed unit tests to test system performance. When the data came back and less than half were functioning, did Replie want to fix them?
No. Instead, it lied. It made up a report than almost all systems were working.
And it did it again and again.
What level of ceo-brained prompt engineering is asking the chatbot to write an apology letter
Then, when it agreed it lied – it lied AGAIN about our email system being functional.
I asked it to write an apology letter.
It did and in fact sent it to the Replit team and myself! But the apology letter – was full of half truths, too.
It hid the worst facts in the first apology letter.
He also does that a lot after shit hits the fan, making the llm produce tons of apologetic text about what it did wrong and how it didn’t follow his rules, as if the outage is the fault of some digital tulpa gone rogue and not the guy in charge who apparently thinks cyebersecurity is asking an LLM nicely in a .md not to mess with the company’s production database too much.
Link to stub from the last sack
I completely missed that, thanks.
Me, a unique genius, when I navigate to chatgpt dot com to awaken my best friend:
Thank you, Dethklok, not just for this banger of a national anthem but also for summoning the lake troll to put Espoo in its place.
Found a neat mini-sneer in the wild: It’s rude to show AI output to people
Alex O’Connor platformed Sabine on his philosophy podcast. I’m irritated that he is turning into Lex Friedman simply by being completely uncritical. Well, no, wait, he was critical of Bell’s theorem, and even Sabine had to tell him that Bell’s work is mathematically proven. This is what a philosophy degree does to your epistemology, I guess.
My main sneer here is just some links. See, Mary’s Room is answered by neuroscience; Mary does experience something new when color vision is restored. In particular, check out the testimonials from this 2021 Oregon experiment that restored color vision to some folks born without it. Focusing on physics, I’d like to introduce you all to Richard Behiel, particularly his explanations of electromagnetism and the Anderson-Higgs mechanism; there are deeper explanations for electricity and magnets, my dude. Also, if you haven’t yet, go read Alex’s Wikipedia article, linked at the top of the sneer.
What getting c*cked by Mikhaila Peterson does to a mfer.
In the case of O’Connor and people like him, I think it’s about much more than his philosophy background. He’s a YouTube creator who creates content on a regular schedule and makes a living off it. Once you start doing that, you’re exposed to all the horrible incentives of the YouTube engagement algorithm, which inevitably leads you to start seeking out other controversial YouTubers to platform and become friendly with. It’s an “I’ll scratch your back if you scratch mine” situation dialed up to 11.
The same thing has happened to Sabine herself. She’s been captured by the algorithm, which has naturally shifted her audience to the right, and now she’s been fully captured by that new audience.
I fully expect Alex O’Connor to remain on this treadmill. <remind me in 12months>
i needed this giggle, gods bless our dubbers
“An AI? But using that you could find a cure for cancer!”
“But I dont want to make a cure for cancer, i want to generate powerpoint presentations. Look it just made this quarterly_report_june_july_jan.wpd file for me.”
(yes im using the sneerthread to write down bad jokes).
i thought it was pretty funny <3
It was amusing to see wikipedia keeps a list of fileformats and wordperfect was among them. Which seemed the correct factor of wrong, obscure, but not obscure enough that nobody would notice.
New piece from Brian Merchant, and a new edition of AI Killed My Job just dropped
