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Good news is kids will learn a lot about computers getting around this.
how are they going to do that when they’re logging into a vm in a few years instead of owning a computer and their phone is fucking fort knox by google and apple?
If you look at what governments around the world do, and ignore what they say, it’s clear that none of them give one flying fuck about kids.
No, it’s about control. They know problems are coming. The debt is too big, the working class can only be squeezed so hard before there is trouble, so get rid of the anonymous net and remove trouble makers and organizers before things get out of hand.
And there is financial trouble too. Debt is western countries is getting out if hand. It’s speculated that they’ll let cash disappear and move to only electronic money. It helps when the devices get locked down with only approved apps “for the safety of the children” so you can’t even use other a different brand of electronic money that isn’t manipulated by the gov. Kinda like Roosevelt and the gold confiscation.
Alright, that was enough tin foil hat for today.
Jesus, all exceedingly plausible, likely, certain.
Remember when they tought covid vaccine was a way to gather information on us? Now no one cares that they’re actually collecting hard data on us.
Tinfoil on, but with the ID collection, social media and AI, you know they’re gonna use that data to guide and mold us to be better workers.
Not workers, slaves. You will have no rights. In democracy you have rights. And if you dont have enough you can elect people that will government you more how youd like. In a dictatorship, especially one that only cares that the rich get more rich and powerful, then your rights are all fucked. A big company just needs to bribe the dictator to remove whatever rights are hurting their ability to make more profit and the government will remove the protections.
They already dont tax them. The working class is paying for all the government infrastructure, and lavish parties and foods, and private jets, and 40 billion dollar donations to Argentina, and 10 billion to Trumps war party fund. The entire government system is completely fucked.
They are fleecing you. And not representing ypur rights in any way. They ignore rhe constitution, ignore how democracy is meant to work, aren’t transparent, dont follow court orders, and the more power they get, the worse things will get, and they are getting more power.
People need to start boycotting aggressively, and getting together irl, protesting hard, loke non-stop. Not a little parade once a month. Like trucker convoy was in Canada is what is needed.
People need to quit meta and twitter, and choose to sacrifice to end this administration, or they will sacrifice much more for not having ended it.
Spying is happening since the patriot act. Our social media presence are being used to control us. We humans are like a herd and we might not agree, but with AI it’s a lot easier to create profiles and guide us. Choice is an illusion.
Now no one cares that they’re actually collecting hard data on us.
THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT ALREADY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_disclosures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_disclosures#Global_surveillance
The Epstein class wants an easy way to tell which users aren’t adults.
NGL, GIMP may be something people should learn to use. If we’re talking sketchy as hell third party outifts that are inevitably going to sell your personal info, why give them anything real?
Do you mean like altering your biometric signature with imagine manipulation software? Don’t a lot of these verification services require a live camera?
Seen someone tricked it with a face drawn onto a thumb. It assumed they were under the age of 15.
I’m sure they’ll never get past detectingthe easiest hacks now that there is a giant financial incentive.
Dunno about that. Nothing is stopping one from boning up on some transformational makeup.
You of course don’t have to go the celebrity look-alike route, but looking like somebody else that’s not you, could work. The way the biometric mapping works is by measuring the features and highlights and shadows on a face to measure it.
Change the shadows and highlights and the width of the mouth and it can be stymied.
I just wondered what you meant by learning how to use GIMP
Editing images, is all…
Back when the US federal courts didn’t suck, they put a temporary injunction on an online age verification law from the 90s (COPA), adding
the Court is acutely cognizant of its charge under the law of this country not to protect the majoritarian will at the expense of stifling the rights embodied in the Constitution. […] I without hesitation acknowledge the duty imposed on the Court and the greater good such duty serves. Indeed, perhaps we do the minors of this country harm if First Amendment protections, which they will with age inherit fully, are chipped away in the name of their protection.
Age verification laws threaten online safety, privacy, & fundamental liberties, they don’t restrict sources outside their jurisdiction, they rely on criminal sanctions & law enforcement resources, and they’re unnecessary & ineffective. In the balance between fundamental rights & other “compelling interests”, government has a duty to minimize compromises of fundamental rights in meeting its “compelling interests”, and age verification laws fail to strike that balance.
Laws can do better than impose restrictions & penalties. When that same court made the injunction permanent, the judge wrote
Moreover, defendant contends that: (1) filters currently exist and, thus, cannot be considered a less restrictive alternative to COPA; and that (2) the private use of filters cannot be deemed a less restrictive alternative to COPA because it is not an alternative which the government can implement. These contentions have been squarely rejected by the Supreme Court in ruling upon the efficacy of the 1999 preliminary injunction by this court. The Supreme Court wrote:
Congress undoubtedly may act to encourage the use of filters. We have held that Congress can give strong incentives to schools and libraries to use them. It could also take steps to promote their development by industry, and their use by parents. It is incorrect, for that reason, to say that filters are part of the current regulatory status quo. The need for parental cooperation does not automatically disqualify a proposed less restrictive alternative. In enacting COPA, Congress said its goal was to prevent the “widespread availability of the Internet” from providing “opportunities for minors to access materials through the World Wide Web in a manner that can frustrate parental supervision or control.” COPA presumes that parents lack the ability, not the will, to monitor what their children see. By enacting programs to promote use of filtering software, Congress could give parents that ability without subjecting protected speech to severe penalties.
I also agree and conclude that in conjunction with the private use of filters, the government may promote and support their use by, for example, providing further education and training programs to parents and caregivers, giving incentives or mandates to ISP’s to provide filters to their subscribers, directing the developers of computer operating systems to provide filters and parental controls as a part of their products (Microsoft’s new operating system, Vista, now provides such features, see Finding of Fact 91), subsidizing the purchase of filters for those who cannot afford them, and by performing further studies and recommendations regarding filters.
Adult supervision, child education on online safety & literacy, parental controls & filters are more effective at less expense to fundamental rights. With client-based filters alone, numerous legislative studies (eg, COPA Commission, NRC report) & court decision findings pointed out more effectiveness than age verification laws in that filters
- block at the receiving end, so they aren’t limited by geographic origin (outside legal jurisdiction)
- operate on any protocol (not only HTTP or successors) regardless of dynamism (eg, live chats or media)
- give parents control to tailor filters per child (eg, age-appropriateness)
- can more granularly filter out sections of a web page rather than entire web pages or web sites
- can filter out other kinds of objectionable content (eg, violence, hate speech)
- can be monitored with logs & corrected.
They also don’t obstruct adults who don’t use them. Newer studies continue to confirm that.
Lawmakers are aware the studies they’ve commissioned recommend more effective & less invasive alternatives, and they could pass laws following those recommendations, yet they don’t. Government is simply failing in its duties to make better laws that respect civil liberties & defend those civil liberties from unjust laws.
Question is, why the fuck this cover still works for so many shit across so many countries. I still can’t make my peace with the thought that so many people are this dumb
Given current events and that nutfuck running the program, Eagle Eye may age like fucking wine.
I will never give my ID to access anything on the internet.
If they make me for age verification, then I just will stop using the internet.
it’s not sketchy companies that may leak your data, it’s the gate now between you and the internet. more and more locks will be added.
If a law like this exists, who should run the age verification?
On one hand, something dealing with your personal information should be handled by the government. The government issues IDs and already has your personal information, so it makes sense that they should be the one to confirm your ID for the purpose of these laws. A well-funded government ID verification system wouldn’t let profits get in the way of doing the job properly. It wouldn’t even have to share your personal information with the websites. They could just ask the government “oracle” if you’re over 16, and the oracle could respond yes/no.
On the other hand, governments are notorious for being decades behind the times when it comes to IT stuff. A government job is often seen as a dead-end job, and the people working there don’t feel engaged or motivated. Also, a government like the MAGA government is definitely going to use it to track every site someone visits. Sure, they could buy the data from that sketchy third-party company, but if they are the service that decides which websites someone is allowed to see, they would definitely abuse that power.
Unfortunately, the third option of “trust companies to police themselves” is just as shitty as the other two.
The “human bouncer at the door, checking IDs” is a good model in meat space. As a human, you know she’s not going to remember the personal details of anyone she checked for more than 10 seconds, so you’re comfortable sharing info with her that could be used to “dox” you. She’s a stand-alone checker and won’t share what she saw, learned or decided with anyone else. The only thing she’s deciding is if you get to enter this one venue at this current time. Also, there’s a lot of basic human judgment there. Someone with grey hair and wrinkles isn’t going to be asked to show ID. And, if a 5-year old kid tries to get in, not only will the bouncer not allow them in, they’ll try to find that kid’s parents.
The problem is, I don’t think it’s possible to come up with an equivalent of the “human bouncer” online. So, we need to think about the problem differently.
Also it doesn’t even help the kids.
Why is this a secondary response? The situation at hand is specifically focused on the children and also teens. What about their consent? Their freedom? Their identity? The problems seemed to arise only when they targeted adults, otherwise the ageism seemed just “fine”. Fake quotes on how it “doesnt even help them” is yet another brick thrown back around. There is no room for ageism here, lets be real, this situation is harmful for all.
It is essentially what ignorance does. Adults are not the centre of attention here, children and also teens (which are most definitively lumped it aswell) are also people; let’s not forget that.
For better or worse also this: gate keeping children’s online spaces. We know the better, but I suspect the worse is political indoctrination, censorship of queer kids, and whitewashing of history.
