Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post, there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
oh god what is this
Surely an April Fools’ thing?
Still, if it’s just a parody someone seems to have gone above and beyond in generating content for it.
you may be right:
Registrar URL: http://squarespace.domains Updated Date: 2024-04-01T06:39:18Z Creation Date: 2024-01-14T00:27:20Z Registry Expiry Date: 2025-01-14T00:27:20Z Registrar: Squarespace Domains LLCbut even then, the choices of content are … telling
a parody in the we mean it sense
/ratanon/ escapes containment
well, it is april, and they are fools
so there’s that I guess
“HaremCom 2024”
sweet baby basilisk
with good coverage in all the major categories: sub, masochist, and victim
…
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these people truly are the worst
(e: I want to be very clear here: this isn’t meant to be kinkshaming, but as a particular highlight of their specific focuses being of a really particular slant)
i checked and you’re allowed to kinkshame rationalists
and victim
just spotted the bit Aella wrote
yeah that bold really doesn’t show up well enough on the default … UI? theme? thing
this ape is a message
we considered ourselves to be a powerful yacht club
this ape is not an ape of honor
no highly esteemed juice is slurped here– more falafel please, SA
@dgerard this ape is a message, and part of a blockchain of messages
a blocked chain
What’s wrong with the weed advice? Seems reasonable enough to me.
The 2 page treatise on inequality which is primarily impotent faffing about from “first principles” definitely hurt me though
the psychoactive effects are quite subjective (and no one-size fits all), so I find the stated-as-fact/certainty of tone there a bit of a waste
(it is also a very common enough thing in many communities of people that partake in psychoactives, but, yeah)
I don’t understand the logic behind the playlists in nightclubs.
(my emphasis)
that’s your problem right there bud
As somebody who amateur DJ’ed (badly, very badly I must add, I’m not suddenly cool, more the reverse):
I don’t understand the logic behind the playlists in nightclubs. IMO, the choice of music is often quite bad, it leans heavily towards repetitive EDM, the playlists could consist of far more interesting music
This is such a revealing thing. And the theorizing after it on why bars do this is even more revealing (he could have just asked). But yeah people don’t go to bars for interesting new music, they come for the socializing, which is a lot easier if everybody can dance along with the music, or just nod along with it if it is more a socializing place. Sometimes there also isn’t a plan but just ‘we should get a DJ’.
The whole list is a collection of ‘I have no empathy and I also never thought about asking people about these things’ btw. I really hope this is a teenager.
@Soyweiser @gerikson Plus the sets of “people who can DJ competently” and “people who are convinced that they should be allowed to DJ in public” do not, unfortunately, overlap completely.
Hey that one other metalhead at the bar really liked my dj style. Don’t be a hater ;).
I’d love to know what he thinks they should play.
music that is interesting, obvies! like, y’know, maybe algoraves, or maybe things that use classical elements. unfortunately the idle masses would never go for such things, the goddamn proles!
</character>lmao i knew it was going to be a samuel barber remix before clicking that link, well done
I kept with the “this has definitely seen mass consciousness” options to really hammer down the point ;D
I guess he doesn’t realize that everyone has a different idea of what music is interesting, and the big nightclubs have to go for the lowest common denominator in order to keep up sales.
with advent of HapsburgGPT inevitable, what’s the next overhyped dumb thing cryptobros turned promptfondlers will turn to?
they’ve been trying quantum but as awesome as quantum computing will be when it arrives, it’ll be a bit obvious that in 2024, these expensive lab toys can’t quite factor numbers so high as 35
nanomaterials got worn out already? i mean these are real but quite underwhelming, it’s always some sensor or shiny powder, not nanomachines
ME READING WARHAMMER 40K BOOKS IN 2018: this setting is so fucking dumb. No way a society would let their entire technological infrastructure be controlled by a handful of fanatics that have convinced themselves that computer code is literally God
ME NOW: Ah,
At least in 40k they actually have godlike beings and observable magic. This is the bad place!
we’re looking for a sneerious name for a collaborative design/programming community for non-dickheads, like hacker news but not shit. thread your suggestions here!
I’m feeling uncreative but it’s a shame giggle academy is taken
“painter news” could be a nice jab at PG’s “Hackers & Painters”
“bikeshed painters club” comes to mind, but probably also too long
ooh i like “bikeshed painting” or variants
“bikeshed systems” maybe? nicely memorable (and matches pattern of current tld) too
we don’t want to mislead the actual painters
I would gladly take any number of actual painters over some of the programmers I’ve had to deal with contributing to open source projects
Oh are you looking for an open source contributor? I heard about this great helpful guy, Jia, he’s looking for a new project this week. Heard had some really novel ways of really seeing into your product…
oh I’ve heard of that dev - apparently they really like to focus on areas with wide impact! just the sort of dev you want in your team!
has very helpful friends too
speaking of networks, I saw this yesterday and it sure gave me some feelings
“Cathedral Central”
(“runk” and “GNU/Scrotum” are right out)
runk sounds it would be the name of a rust variant of troff
Nah it’s masturbation in Swedish.
More specifically, “en runk” is analogous to “a wank”, but it’s not idiomatic.
wanking = “att runka”
I wanked = “jag runkade”
I had a wank = “jag tog en runk”, non-idiomatic. You’d say “jag runkade”. If you want to use a noun, “jag drog en tralla”.
so 100% in the tradition of the area of software that thought a good name for its photoshop clone would be “gimp”
fascinating, thanks for mentioning :)
GNU/Scrotum is a great name for a lemmy fork, but Richard’s copyright lawyers would probably sue me and the settlement terms would involve him eating his foot skin on my couch and leeching off of my wifi from his 2004 laptop for 12-24 months
You can deflect him with an inexpensive cleric spell (somatic components: broccoli and a copy of Microsoft Windows).
spider plants are canonical
Name suggestion: Spider Plant Greenhouse
I do like this one
was pretty surprising when the sensible people took over at OSI and FSF got worse and worse
he’ll probably draw a significant amount of power from the fact that some of the walls in my house contain GNU utilities running on small Linux systems
I heard if you make minor modifications to those but then don’t publish source (along with branding them and dropping license files) then he can take 20d6 psychic damage
Ah, but you just dealt a small amount of damage by saying “Linux”.
Richard’s 2004 laptop runs FreeDOS but he find/replaced all instances of “FreeDOS” in the code to “GNU/Hurd”
Are you sure he limits it to his foot skin?
Play your cards right and you could put him to work like one of those fish that eat dead skin off feet as part of a pedicure.
Apropos of nothing, does Stallman still request access to a parrot? It’d be funny to find him a place to stay with a person whose parrot is trained to talk shit about Stallman. “KWOK! SHUT UP ABOUT HURD!”
The Margaret Hamilton Society
the more I think about it, the more I like this one too
Just to confuse things design a logo that references both Margaret Hamilton from NASA and Margaret Hamilton the Wicked Witch actress. Maybe a woman flying on a NASA rocket-propelled bicycle, but maybe not because the slow and judgey might think that’s calling NASA Hamilton a witch.
Actually referencing a non-technical woman might even help repel HN types.
The MIT alum in me wants to devise some variation on “Building 20” that conveys a “but without the worse aspects of MIT subculture” kind of message.
Now I hope all the dumb MIT subculture jokes actually exist on student forums, where they belong. Because I can’t stop thinking of them now that you’ve got me started.
* Stata because none of our angles will be right angles.
* Course Six Sigma
* Infinite Sneeridor
Oh god I have to stop before I get to all the “Beaver” jokes.
Six Double Oh Eww
I originally wanted “freeasinbothpieces”, which sums up the idea precisely, but five words is a bit much even with camel case
That could be the hostname for the forge instance(s)
Or the backups
“MIT-style culture but not run by the worst people you know” is exactly the kind of thing I’d like to convey
e: also, implicitly, without the shit bigotry hiding under the surface that those worst people imbued the culture with
So, Harvey Mudd?
“Demolishing 20”
Einstürzende Zwanzig
This is praxis:
https://twitter.com/lilbubbychild/status/1772784097762402615#m
Scott Aaronson: “Open Letter to Anti-Zionists on Twitter”
Posting here rather than in a separate thread because I’m probably the only one who rememembers him from the old /r/sneerclub days, but he’s an endlessly fascinating figure to me - his ability to view literally every possible scenario through the lens of “poor innocent little smol-bean Scott just wants to discuss things rationally, but is persecuted by his ontologically evil foes and their self-righteous dupes” - doesn’t matter if it’s feminists objecting to his older incel-y posts, Sneer Club dunking on him, cops arresting him for stealing from an airport store or leftists not being fans of the genocide he supports… He must always be the victim. His enemies must always be unreasonable and motivated by hatred of him, specifically.
What’s he referring to when he says he’s most famous for something about confronting radical feminists with his personal issues?
my god, you missed out on that?
here is way too much background reading!
- commenter on Shtetl-Optimized talks about the rapey “nice guys” she suffered at college
- Scott Aa takes this as a brutal personal attack on him
- Laurie Penny tries to be nice about it
- Amanda Marcotte? not so nice about it
- Scott Alexander weighs in with one zillion words, unreadable, so relentlessly awful that Scott demands readers not form an opinion of him based on a thousands of words essay he worked hard on and chose to publish
- Elizabeth Sandifer with the correct and readable opinion of this bilge (also long, but worth it)
just looked the guy up. He’s handsome. He literally looks like Jerry Seinfeld (actually, he looks even more like Pablo Schreiber who played Nicky Sobotka in The Wire). What a god damned twat. (Not that being attractive makes any of his arguments any worse than they already are)
The title of the blog (“Shtetl-Optimized”) refers to his belief that he would have been happier in a traditional shtetl where the kindly village elders would assign a wife for him.
Yeah that always gets me, and he picked that name fully knowing what it meant. It isn’t like the meaning of it has changed over time. (Like my now unfortunate nickname, which prob gets me tagged nowadays as a rightwinger, due to the weird shit they had with budweiser, and before that it got me tagged at a rabid leftwinger because of ‘soy’. Nevermind that it predates all that, and even the bodybuilders/weightlifters misreading the science and causing the whole anti-soy mania, and it is just a reference to 90’s shadowrun. I feel this a lot and then I ignore it because I figure most people are not this online to even notice).
He managed to attract and keep a wife and have kids with her and still talks like the most rancid incel.
Holy shit you just sent me down a rabbit hole. How can these people be so terrible. Existing in their spaces must be like constantly smelling faintly a rotting corpse but not being able to quite place where it’s coming from.
Don’t forget how Arthur Chu wrote a response grounded in empathy, and Aaronson decided that Chu wants him dead. Really.
commenter on Shtetl-Optimized talks about the rapey “nice guys” she suffered at college
Not just that, but one of very few feminist commenters in an aggressively anti-feminist comments section on a blogpost about how it’s wrong that MIT pulled Walter Lewin’s online lecture videos after he was accused of sexually harrassing a student. Scott Aaronson, Friend To All Women, felt no need to intervene as his fans trashed the very notion of online sexual harrassment - only when a woman made an uncharitable remark about nerd men.
And now, maybe, I can at last go back to happier topics, like how to prevent the destruction of the world by AI.
looks like he did a shit job in this area https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
from HN:
I got frustrated with ChatGPT for hallucinating sometimes, and my friend said “could be worse, could hallucinate all the time.” And I thought it’d be fun to make that, and then we came up with a few more, and now we have this: https://cap-gpt.onrender.com/
YapGPT is just an API into yud’s inner monologue isn’t it
could hallucinate all the time.
oh sweet summer child…
No actually a system which hallucinates some of the time is actually worse than all of the time. People will simply not use the latter.
I’m honestly okay with this one. This is a good AI project.
I finally launched that collaborative software community. welcome to FreeAssembly
So, a lesswrong suggests gathering “The Best Tacit Knowledge Videos on Every Subject,” where “tacit knowledge” is defined as “knowledge that can’t properly be transmitted via verbal or written instruction”. The low-hanging fruit is that the recommendations under “Finance” are Keith “Roaring Kitty” Gill of GameStop fame… and Martin Shkreli.
The higher-hanging fruit is the seeming conviction that just because a lesswrong saw somebody drone on about a thing in a YouTube video, it can’t be explained in written words.
Shkreli is probably good for teaching you how to use Excel at 90wpm?
Yeah i feel like there’s several obvious fruit on this tree:
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“Tacit” knowledge?
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YouTube is words, folks.
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Lots of things *are* difficult to learn from words, famously. Colors of you can’t see, flavors you haven’t experienced, emotions. You can’t learn them from video either.
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I personally would ask Shkreli advice on many things: How to earn hard time; How to go to the special hell: What’s the best song on Once Upon a Time in Shaolin? Maybe not on finance tho.
Wow the LW “tacit knowledge” root post is a trip.
“This tacit knowledge is a form of intellectual dark matter, pervading society in a million ways, some of them trivial, some of them vital. Examples include woodworking, metalworking, housekeeping, cooking, dancing, amateur public speaking, assembly line oversight, rapid problem-solving, and heart surgery.”
it strikes me that there’s quite a similarity in how the lesswrongs have this continuous drive for so-called “secret knowledge” to how others are about sacred geometry and “hidden universe secrets”. anyone else pick up on something like that?
I think of it as an evolved version of what a lot of the new age cults did with quantum woo — it’s a thin veneer of knowledge designed to trick folks who think they’re too smart for religion into a religious mindset. the Rationalist version of the veneer is particularly thick, but the end goal is the same: Magic is Real and You Can Be The Gandalf
alright so definitely not an isolated observation :) and yeah that’s well put
tictac knowledge
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https://marshallbrain.com/youve-had-your-turn-the-case-for-euthanizing-everyone-at-age-65
The “How Stuff Works” guy
decides to be normalargues that retirement should be eliminated and the elderly executed “because they’re not productive”. In a further fit of normalness, he endorses EO Wilson without qualification.Jesus Christ, this guy read A Modest Proposal and took it as fucking inspiration.
Why is it always eugenics and euthanasia with these chucklefucks? The idea of exterminating large amounts of humans seems to tickle something in some people’s brains.
Never heard of the dude, but despite writing a 6 part series entitled “Imagining Elon Musk’s Million-Person Mars Colony – The greatest thought experiment of all time” has has not gotten the new party line from Dear Leader that the most pressing issue is the catastrophic lack of (white) babies rather than too many people.
OTOH porque no los dos? Force women in the “first world” to have kids, euthanize all the brown people.
edit people killed at or around 60 is a minor plot point in the pretty terrible Asimov novel Pebble in the Sky, where it is not seen as a Good Thing.
It’s bizarre to me that the articles starts out arguing that this is necessary for environmental reasons, then shifts to egalitarianism (spread wealth from the global north to the south), before landing on productivity. A complete scattershot argument whose only constant is a desire to euthanize the old, with only the EO Wilson connection for any clue as to why he came to this conclusion.
As for fiction, I think you could name probably quite a few stories that feature this kind of mandatory maximum lifespan, almost always as an obvious signpost that the government is cruel. (I am trying to remember one in particular, I think it was a short story called “Hop for Jubilee”? Ring any bells for anyone?)
Esperanto-pushing F-droid forum poster goes ballistic when maintainer explains the language can’t be added:
Why you simple don’t start learning Esperanto? Why should the whole world learn your stupid and illogical* language? Is F-Droid project international or only for english people?
(via this 404 media post)
I honestly did not know there were axe-crazy Esperanto fans online.
that 404 media link is gonna be so handy to keep in my back pocket for when the worst people I know in open source inevitably start pushing back against the idea that the toxic ecosystems they created are a gigantic source of problems
I honestly did not know there were axe-crazy Esperanto fans online.
Oh, there are always those.
These kind of speakers can be found also offline. It’s funny they are the result on one hand of the fondness to our little language and the reactions towards it by speakers of other languages. Esperanto gets a shitload of bad reputation and the resistance to it then creates such personalities.
In some sense they rightfully act like they act.
Funny that this thread re-appeared during the xz “scandal”. I had a little bit of fun regarding it, when it initially appeared in the f-droid forum.
Yeah I mean I shouldn’t be surprised really. I’m more surprised it took me so long to realize they were around. If nothing else Esperanto seems to have been losing mindshare to other conlangs like Toki Pona.
I don’t know if it really is losing mindshare. Toki Pona is really popular among a very loud minority.
On one hand these people just may be learning it, because it’s an interesting conlang, nothing against that. Learn whatever language you like.
Then the loud part of the Toki Pona community learn it partially because they think it’s morally superior to other eurocentric conlangs like Esperanto. And those will eagerly say to you, that Toki Pona is the best language ever. So maybe is the perception that Esperanto is losing mindshare, because of Toki Pona, just a result of working propaganda by that very loud minority.
Esperanto is also in general not a very popular language, as its normally compared to English for its audacity to become a lingua franca. Still, to my knowledge it’s still the largest constructed language community. Toki Pona or other languages need to get to that level of sophistication which Esperanto already aquired during 136 years of its existence.
I could barely learn a 3rd language (French) so the idea of trying to learn one more is daunting, even if Esperanto is designed to be easy to learn.
so the idea of trying to learn one more is daunting, even if Esperanto is designed to be easy to learn.
Even that would people contest. For me it was easier to learn and I think there things in the language, which make it easier to learn. BUT that idea that it’s truly universal “easier” is often criticized and doubted. Which leaves me with a disappointing “maybe” with a slight tilt to “it’s easier”, so “maybe it’s easier?”.
I could barely learn a 3rd language (French) so the idea
If we keep in the idea set of how Esperanto came about, then the idea was to learn two to three languages and be a world citizen afterwards. Two languages, because that would be your mother tongue and Esperanto and for three languages that would be your mother tongue, the language of your region like for cultural heritage reasons and Esperanto to be a world citizen.
I learnt Esperanto after i learnt English in school. It’s my third language and I belong to those who got afterwards more confident, that I could acquire another language by myself. So for some people it’s easier to learn and it brings them then the confidence, that when they find motivation to learn a specific new language, that they could do that.
I myself am still stuck with three languages, because I did not had a strong motivation to learn an additional language. There are too much languages and there are too much conflicting incentives to learn one over another. Wanna understand China? Learn Mandarin! Learn one of the other big languages in the world for financial progress! Then learn Spanish! Be supportive of the deaf community! Then learn one of the many dialects of sign language!
klingon still the all time fave
“Klingon Speakers Now Outnumber Navajo Speakers” (The Onion, 1999)
apparently commander chatgpt bombs gaza https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
note: this is not sneer-worthy because it’s hague-worthy
I’ve just been staring off into space for the last half-hour trying to process this. This is legitimately a nightmare scenario. The ML and automation systems here are being used in conjunction with human policy decisions to turn a military intelligence function into an accountability sink. This is how you square the circle and turn a self-defense force into an agent of ethnic cleansing without needing to change the low-level organization to effect that goal. Everybody gets to maintain plausible deniability just enough that they can answer any uncomfortable questions and justify their actions to themselves, and by the time anyone starts to really question or investigate those justifications the job is largely done. I don’t know that I could construct a clearer example of how this technology can be used to the worst possible effect.
bet you won’t read about it on lesswrong
Of course not, the victims are brown people.
Because I feel like picking on him again: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2024/04/02/google-podcasts
The only Google services I use are YouTube, Google Search, Gmail, YT Studio, Chrome, and Google Keep. Oh, and the Nest app.
It’s rather glorious living a nearly Google-free digital life.
I haven’t been bitten by Google killing an app or service since Google Reader, because I never again trusted them. I suppose this might be a lot more difficult for Android users, but I honestly don’t even remember the last time I added a new Google app or service to the set of tools I rely upon.
yeah he sure as fuck won’t be bitten by trusting anything Google made after Reader, like say their thermostats that are embedded into his house (which he says don’t count because ???)
also:
YouTube, Google Search, Gmail, Chrome
when your Google-free life includes all of their major products plus shit you can absolutely do without like Keep and Nest
also also, because I keep fucking looking at it and getting mad:
I suppose this might be a lot more difficult for Android users
imagine being this fucking shitty about having bought an iPhone and being above the age of 13
I have a couple of Android devices and even with Android added to my list of Google products, I’m pretty sure I use fewer than Gruber.
it’s very inconvenient but I’ve managed to mostly de-google my couple of Android devices where practical — and there is a noticeable performance benefit to running without google play services, using Firefox, and installing simpler open source odroid apps instead of ad-filled play store ones, at least for the older tablets I recycle into purpose-specific computing devices
gruber, meanwhile, goes out of his way to replace safari with chrome on his Apple devices and then brags about being google-free on his blog
I’m currently in the position of both having gotten as much google shit out of my life as possible, and also needing to track it fairly extensively for a work context (because 95%+ of our userbase is low- and midrange android)
I cannot say “fuck google and all they do” enough times to emphasise how this experience really makes me feel
it absolutely sucks to be forced to use and develop for Google software at work (seriously, what in the fuck is wrong with Google’s docs and APIs?)
if there’s a silver lining, it’s that being forced to be intimately familiar with google’s garbage for work has made me a lot more eager to eliminate as much of it from my personal life as I can
when you’re such a Daring Fireball that you continue to use all of google’s products even when good alternatives are available, but insist you’re making a point by boycotting google
Okay, but apart from YouTube, Google Search, Gmail, YT Studio, Chrome, Google Keep and Nest, what have the Romans ever done for us?
While I love a good Gruber-sneer, he does qualify each existing choice extensively. I don’t find the post as hypocritical as the edited extract would imply.
His gratuitous dumping on Android users is sneer-worthy though.
I have got to be honest, the justifications in the full post are half the reason why I’m sneering so hard. it’s possible I’ve got some anger left over from how much it fucking sucks to degoogle
Ugh, I keep waiting for Florisboard or AnySoftKey to get good enough that I can replace google keyboard on my phone, it’s very frustrating. I’ve basically given up on dropping gmail. I think that’s all that’s left of google for me.
lol. the only google services i use are search , youtube, gmail (in the isolated browser containers), and the android phone. seems the apple licker is not degoogled at all.
the only google service i use is institutional gmail. i got myself a pixel, but it’s degoogled. he’s not even trying
It’s hard to degoogle, but seriously. For non-work personal use, I watch YT videos, and my puzzle team solves in google sheets. That’s it.
Using the Nest app and calling yourself degoogled is clown shit.
That’s the markdown guy, right? Goddamn what’s with these nerdbros who got popular of one thing and then becoming insufferable, if not actively reactionary shits?
