Asking for basic rights doesnt mean you assume anything. Its not a zero sum game where trans people having rights means others have less, or that trans people cant have rights because other may not have them either. Thats a very weird way to make it “Us vs Them” when its just a basic ask all around.
Secondary to that is the fact that if you don’t agree with what trans people are saying, they exclude you from their spaces and conversations.
This is just JAQing off with more steps. Woe be it that the people whose mere existance is met with raw hostility dont put up with yet more bigotry or “just asking questions” rhetoric that they get literally everyday of their lives.
Does this derail what may be honest questions? Sure, but when you get 90% hate and 10% good faith and cant always parse the two, sometimes you filter out all 100% for your own safety.
How about the right to use a public bathroom, or the right to have a passport in some country, that allows them through security checkpoints unimpeded?
This plus the right to, yknow, live, which is rejected by a terrorist organization called the FBI; which literally classifies them as terrorists.
As far as I know, trans people are allowed to use public restrooms at least in any state in the US. They also are permitted to have passports but I’m not sure what you mean by the unimpeded part. I couldn’t find any verification that the FBI has labelled any trans people or any trans positive groups as terrorist groups either.
On the second:
The Trump admin now requires the gender of a passport to match the gender assigned at birth. Immigration control officers operate off of far less to enact “Kavanaugh stops” to target and harass anyone whose passport gender does not match their visual appearance. Think of it this way: If a black man could wave a magic wand to not be black for the duration of a traffic stop, do you think they would?
Your first example would work if one could be in both Florida and Illinois at the same time, but that is impossible. In both states, trans people are able to use public restrooms, whether its the one they want to use or not.
The second isn’t an example. I’m supposed to just take your word for it?
On the third, the FBI never did designate any trans related anything as violent extremists or terrorists. That article is simply reporting what two unnamed officials thought would happen in the future after the Kirk murder. Hardly evidence that the FBI is officially targeting trans people.
if you don’t agree with what trans people are saying, they exclude you from their spaces and conversations
This seems to align with what the OP was saying? Regular people barely get rights, trans people ask for those same paltry rights and that’s treated as an assault.
That’s not what I meant. I meant that we are all in the same boat wanting to be treated fairly. Being treated unfairly is not a uniquely trans experience.
This is why fighting for rights for those that don’t have them also results in better conditions for those who started in a slightly better position. Programs like the Black Prisoner’s Caucus create better conditions for white inmates as well. This concept is pretty common in activist spaces.
I don’t think that trans people are the vehicle that will bring basic human rights to all. I don’t think framing it in group-speak is helpful either.
Its awful that all of these people are struggling, but we can’t even agree on the cause of or solution for that suffering. I wish the community wasn’t so eager to defend positions that haven’t had time to be established as fact yet.
I’ve never encountered a trans person who said “I and only I have ever been treated unfairly.” I’m sure someone’s said it (the Internet is a big place and full of trolls), but it’s a pretty ridiculous thing to say. I recommend that if you ever see it in the future you just shrug at the person who is clearly not speaking in rational good-faith, rather than taking offense.
out of all the pain i had lived through in my life, nothing comes close to the one caused by gender dysphoria
seeing so many people just ignore that pain, hating on trans people with no benefit for themselves, dont you think that trans people may be a little more defensive and not talk to people they suspect hate them for not enduring that pain forever for no reason?
Just because everyone you knew before treated you like shit for being who you want to be doesn’t mean everyone after will too. That’s not fair and you wouldn’t want others to treat you like that. Rejecting people for being inquisitive about a newly recognized condition and possible solutions seems short sighted to me.
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Asking for basic rights doesnt mean you assume anything. Its not a zero sum game where trans people having rights means others have less, or that trans people cant have rights because other may not have them either. Thats a very weird way to make it “Us vs Them” when its just a basic ask all around.
This is just JAQing off with more steps. Woe be it that the people whose mere existance is met with raw hostility dont put up with yet more bigotry or “just asking questions” rhetoric that they get literally everyday of their lives.
Does this derail what may be honest questions? Sure, but when you get 90% hate and 10% good faith and cant always parse the two, sometimes you filter out all 100% for your own safety.
I’m saying that “basic human rights” isn’t a real thing.
Am I supposed to go research whatever JAQing off means by the way? If you are trying to communicate something, feel free to say it plainly.
Edit: I see you added more already, though it makes no sense at all. Try again to make a point or leave me unreplied to.
How about the right to use a public bathroom, or the right to have a passport in some country, that allows them through security checkpoints unimpeded?
This plus the right to, yknow, live, which is rejected by a terrorist organization called the FBI; which literally classifies them as terrorists.
As far as I know, trans people are allowed to use public restrooms at least in any state in the US. They also are permitted to have passports but I’m not sure what you mean by the unimpeded part. I couldn’t find any verification that the FBI has labelled any trans people or any trans positive groups as terrorist groups either.
On the first one:
Using the bathroom of the gender assigned at birth: https://www.them.us/story/lucien-bates-round1-arcade-trans-man-bathroom-illinois
Using the bathroom of the gender not assigned at birth: https://reason.com/2025/04/10/florida-cops-arrest-transgender-woman-for-using-womens-bathroom/
They are, by circumstance, condemned for doing either. Effectively, they are barred from using any bathrooms, though the law does not like admitting that result.
On the second:
The Trump admin now requires the gender of a passport to match the gender assigned at birth. Immigration control officers operate off of far less to enact “Kavanaugh stops” to target and harass anyone whose passport gender does not match their visual appearance. Think of it this way: If a black man could wave a magic wand to not be black for the duration of a traffic stop, do you think they would?
On the third:
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/fbi-readies-new-war-on-trans-people
Your first example would work if one could be in both Florida and Illinois at the same time, but that is impossible. In both states, trans people are able to use public restrooms, whether its the one they want to use or not.
The second isn’t an example. I’m supposed to just take your word for it?
On the third, the FBI never did designate any trans related anything as violent extremists or terrorists. That article is simply reporting what two unnamed officials thought would happen in the future after the Kirk murder. Hardly evidence that the FBI is officially targeting trans people.
This seems to align with what the OP was saying? Regular people barely get rights, trans people ask for those same paltry rights and that’s treated as an assault.
That’s not what I meant. I meant that we are all in the same boat wanting to be treated fairly. Being treated unfairly is not a uniquely trans experience.
This is why fighting for rights for those that don’t have them also results in better conditions for those who started in a slightly better position. Programs like the Black Prisoner’s Caucus create better conditions for white inmates as well. This concept is pretty common in activist spaces.
I don’t think that trans people are the vehicle that will bring basic human rights to all. I don’t think framing it in group-speak is helpful either.
Its awful that all of these people are struggling, but we can’t even agree on the cause of or solution for that suffering. I wish the community wasn’t so eager to defend positions that haven’t had time to be established as fact yet.
I’ve never encountered a trans person who said “I and only I have ever been treated unfairly.” I’m sure someone’s said it (the Internet is a big place and full of trolls), but it’s a pretty ridiculous thing to say. I recommend that if you ever see it in the future you just shrug at the person who is clearly not speaking in rational good-faith, rather than taking offense.
Oh look I found the bucket crab.
(Also for others passing by this person also thinks that ICE is keeping us safe from dangerous immigrants.)
I’ve never said that but good job with your reading comprehension.
It doesn’t take much to make an idiot feel smug does it? Enjoy your upvotes!
out of all the pain i had lived through in my life, nothing comes close to the one caused by gender dysphoria
seeing so many people just ignore that pain, hating on trans people with no benefit for themselves, dont you think that trans people may be a little more defensive and not talk to people they suspect hate them for not enduring that pain forever for no reason?
Just because everyone you knew before treated you like shit for being who you want to be doesn’t mean everyone after will too. That’s not fair and you wouldn’t want others to treat you like that. Rejecting people for being inquisitive about a newly recognized condition and possible solutions seems short sighted to me.