I actually grew up in Amsterdam in the 90s. Diversity works really well there in my opinion. In my classroom alone we had 16 different nationalies. It all boils down to integration. Germany is shit at integration. My brother has lived in Berlin all his life. Violence has gone up since the massive immigration waves. And sorry to say this but a lot of the immigrants have problems with their behavior towards women. Why would pictograms in swimmingpools need to be put up, showing not to grope women because of their swimwear?
I myself don’t think the immigration is the huge problem everyone makes it out to be. But Germany barely does a thing and allows them to group together, making integration difficult. Other countries ar better at this. My wife came in contact with many immigrants and there definitely is a pattern. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with societal norms.
I don’t know what to say to your whole thing about pictures in swimming pool and immigrants. I‘ve been to all the big clubs in Berlin and they also have all kinds of tolerance statements in their party descriptions and on the walls inside the clubs that also talk about no means no and that you can’t grope anyone. The party audience is mostly white and mostly from western countries, yet this is there. Do I now conclude that all white westerners have a problem with harassing people? That’s just ridiculous.
I’ve lived in the Netherlands btw and it seemed very popular among locals to trash German cars, break their windows, slash their tires, spray shit like „Germans out“ on cars or walls. Do I now conclude that Dutch people are all racist? Again that would be ridiculous.
My point is, your opinions are based on diffuse feelings and not on actual data („crime is getting worse“) or logical conclusions („there are posters in swimming pools, therefore immigrants harrass women“).
I actually saw the harassment with my own eyes in that bar I was talking about. It was a huge shock because that bar was only ever visited by the most open minded people you could meet. The posters I’m talking about were put up after sexual harassment took place. This is not a feeling, things have happened. Just not as crazy as the Nazis would like. But ignoring these problems and just not doing anything about it is a good recipe for setting things up to get worse. All I want is that people get integrated a bit better. I’d never send them back to the hell holes they came from. They fled wars for a reason.
I’m very happy for you that you have so much positive to say about what you have encountered! I also know many friends who’ve never had trouble with immigrants and refugees. But when you let in a huge amount of people, there’s bound to be a gigantic portion of asshats among them. I’d say a comparable percentage to the German shitheads.
Edit: yeah, we had our car’s windows broken and radio stolen too. My Dutch teacher actually said terrible things about the Germans right in front of me and he very well knew that my family comes from Germany. But my classmates had my back, reported him to to the principal and he was fired on the spot. The classmates in question were from Ghana, Surinam, the UK, China and the Netherlands. It felt great being surrounded by people from all over the world as if it were the most normal thing ever. And it was normal. Largely also because they were integrated very well (us Germans too btw).
I actually grew up in Amsterdam in the 90s. Diversity works really well there in my opinion. In my classroom alone we had 16 different nationalies. It all boils down to integration. Germany is shit at integration. My brother has lived in Berlin all his life. Violence has gone up since the massive immigration waves. And sorry to say this but a lot of the immigrants have problems with their behavior towards women. Why would pictograms in swimmingpools need to be put up, showing not to grope women because of their swimwear?
I myself don’t think the immigration is the huge problem everyone makes it out to be. But Germany barely does a thing and allows them to group together, making integration difficult. Other countries ar better at this. My wife came in contact with many immigrants and there definitely is a pattern. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with societal norms.
I don’t know what to say to your whole thing about pictures in swimming pool and immigrants. I‘ve been to all the big clubs in Berlin and they also have all kinds of tolerance statements in their party descriptions and on the walls inside the clubs that also talk about no means no and that you can’t grope anyone. The party audience is mostly white and mostly from western countries, yet this is there. Do I now conclude that all white westerners have a problem with harassing people? That’s just ridiculous.
I’ve lived in the Netherlands btw and it seemed very popular among locals to trash German cars, break their windows, slash their tires, spray shit like „Germans out“ on cars or walls. Do I now conclude that Dutch people are all racist? Again that would be ridiculous.
My point is, your opinions are based on diffuse feelings and not on actual data („crime is getting worse“) or logical conclusions („there are posters in swimming pools, therefore immigrants harrass women“).
I actually saw the harassment with my own eyes in that bar I was talking about. It was a huge shock because that bar was only ever visited by the most open minded people you could meet. The posters I’m talking about were put up after sexual harassment took place. This is not a feeling, things have happened. Just not as crazy as the Nazis would like. But ignoring these problems and just not doing anything about it is a good recipe for setting things up to get worse. All I want is that people get integrated a bit better. I’d never send them back to the hell holes they came from. They fled wars for a reason.
I’m very happy for you that you have so much positive to say about what you have encountered! I also know many friends who’ve never had trouble with immigrants and refugees. But when you let in a huge amount of people, there’s bound to be a gigantic portion of asshats among them. I’d say a comparable percentage to the German shitheads.
Edit: yeah, we had our car’s windows broken and radio stolen too. My Dutch teacher actually said terrible things about the Germans right in front of me and he very well knew that my family comes from Germany. But my classmates had my back, reported him to to the principal and he was fired on the spot. The classmates in question were from Ghana, Surinam, the UK, China and the Netherlands. It felt great being surrounded by people from all over the world as if it were the most normal thing ever. And it was normal. Largely also because they were integrated very well (us Germans too btw).