To be clear, I am only talking about people like the average working class Trump voter. The ones who just got caught by misinformation, and just haven’t been able to find a way out. Trump and all his mates are terrible people, and should be held accountable.
The average voter is another thing. My attitude is that I got lucky, and found out that Trump and his mates are terrible, instead of getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting them. Knowing how fascism works, I don’t know if I’d be able to reliably land on the right side if fascism happened in my home country. And if I don’t believe I could reliably spot fascism, I’m not comfortable acting like those who support Trump could have.
This isn’t a discussion of “just be a good person”. I know plenty of amazing, caring people who believe they’re doing the right thing.
This whole idea of “I can’t say is reliably avoid fascism” is based on this, the school that became fascist for a week. As bad of an experiment that was from that teacher, it was an effective way of teaching how people fall for what should be obviously a bad thing.
I sincerely hope everyone who voted for Trump, and those who didn’t vote, all get whatever kind of cancer kills them the slowest and most painfully.
No offense but adults should be better at resisting manipulation than schoolchildren. Plenty of people in the US saw the right turn fascist and went “hey, that’s bad, I’m not going to vote for them”. Anyone could do it. So, yeah, I blame them a lot and I think if you believe you could fall for fascism easily you should work on finding ways to improve on that weakness.
Convicted felon. Known rapist. Told us to inject bleach for COVID.
Absolutely I still blame people who think he has their interests in mind.
A lot.
The information was not hidden, he wasn’t even trying to hide it. It’s not like you had to read between the lines. Anyone who willingly voted for him is on my shit-list. I understand not liking Biden or Kamala, but I will never understand looking between them and Trump and thinking that, in any way, he would be the better alternative in any capacity. He is a facist, and even worse, he’s a dumb one. He’s easily entertained and influenced. He doesn’t care about anyone that isn’t him (or that he doesn’t want to fuck). He’s not president because he cares, he’s president because he can. I think anyone who voted for him was incredibly selfish, minimum. “He’s going to lower groceries.” Even if he did, is that worth it the oligarchy? Is it worth losing rights? Is it worth Palestine? Is it worth everything else increasing? Is it worth making way for a Dictator? Is it worth making a home for facists? Is it worth watching families be ripped apart?
I would say no, but many of my countrymen disagreed.
I am considering whether my mother and I will have a relationship going forward. It was already strained by the last orange term. I instituted a no-politics rule to save our relationship.
She knows I’ve been planning to move to NZ because he won again. I mentioned that I’m feeling enormous conflict about leaving my partner (can’t follow due to refugee status and lack of citizenship) and she told me she’s optimistic about the future and we live in the “greatest country on earth.” This was on inauguration day and I fucking lost it.
Emails that I have sent to her since:
Subj: Trump orders US withdrawal from the World Health Organization - Ars Technica
You shouldn’t vote and your offspring have to live with the consequences of your vote.
Subj: He pardoned the Jan 6 rioters
You contributed to violent criminals (some convicted of seditious conspiracy) walking free. You did this.
Subj: You voted to humiliate my friends
https://www.notus.org/whitehouse/trump-gender-sex-order-passports
Subj: Trump Rescinds Biden Order Aimed at Lowering Prescription Drug Prices
You cause harm to innocent people with your vote.
Honestly, I’ve concluded that she’s a bad person for voting for him. I still love her. She raised me and protected me from an abusive father (as best she could). But this fucking sucks and she sucks for helping to make it happen. There’s a real possibility that I will end my relationship with her because of this. And that sucks, but there has to be a line.
So how far have you gotten with your plans for NZ? I ask because I always see people commenting about doing that but 99.9% of them are just venting.
Everyone had a least 9 years to figure out who Trump is. I’d be more lenient if it was a matter of months. But it was almost a decade since he first ran.
I know there are a lot of factors working against people (capitalism, propaganda, groupthink) but after all that time, I think they should own their decision.
So yes, I blame them. The man talked about injecting bleach for chist’s sakes. And that was all over the news while many people were home and could pay attention if they wanted to.
Firstly the obligatory disclaimer that I’m not American, just someone that has been watching this unfold on the same world wide web that we all use.
Maybe I’m too radical but I would say fully. Whether they want a white christian nationalist country or just wanted cheaper eggs. Because that first thing was never a hidden objective, it was clear from the start. We had people who find secret illuminati pizza messages on bathroom walls take one look at Project 2025, an actual real conspiracy and go “doesn’t look like anything to me”.
So whether they’re true right wingers, conspiracy theorists, or people that closed their eyes and ears and hearts while convincing themselves that this was all about cheaper groceries; I’d say they’re all equally to blame.
He said he was a racist Nazi who wanted to be a dictator. Yeah i blame the people who voted for him.
I blame capitalism, the underfunded education, and the well-oiled propaganda machine of the tech industry
This.
Both sides got you to this point.
Both sides this both sides that
Have you ever considered that the world doesn’t conform to your intuitions of perfect balance?
On one hand, his entire ideology and what he said he wants to do was extremely hateful and even someone who didn’t think further into it should have seen that. They voted for him for at least that, deporting immigrants and all that. On the other hand, the rise of fascism is a sytemic issue caused by capitalism. It happens every time the economy isn’t doing well, that’s why people suddenly started voting for the NSDAP (Hitler’s party) too. We’re supposed to just write down our favorite party (that we select based on random information we’ve seen on social media once or who looks the coolest) on a piece of paper every few years, so we feel like we’re participating and we can spend the rest of our time working for the rich and consuming their products. We’re not supposed to actually take part in how our country is run. We don’t have any say in the economy anyway, that’s decided by people who just so happened to get rich and the people we elect to act in our interest just get bought out by the rich too.
If the democrats didn’t go into the far-left woke territory Trump probably wouldn’t have won. Blame them.
Trump won because people had enough of sleepy Joe and dems in general. It’s a fact!
Yall can dislike all you want, but we all know I’m spitting the truth.
How much do you blame the people who voted for Trump or other fascists?
Every one who can be dead to me is dead to me.
Those who are unfortunately tied to me by blood or marriage get the minimum of interaction that family dynamics require me to give.
That’s how it will stay.
I blame capitalism for this one. Misinformation and lobbying is very profitable. Using prior knowledge of what laws are coming into effect is also very profitable. Retiring and becoming a lobbyists is also.
In the US hard facts have become debatable and there’s a shitty system that massively benefits two political parties.
I don’t necessarily blame the people since the system is rigged against people’s interest. They get mad and vote anti-establishment which is still very much the establishment.
As a non-USian viewing all this from the outside, I’d say blaming the people at the bottom for what the largest gaslighting machine in the history of human civilization has managed to achieve is absolutely masochistic.
Your anti-democratic political establishment is to blame for this.
Seriously. Ever liberal I know immediately started blaming the voters
I blame capitalism. It’s profitable to keep Americans stupid.
