Although personally in favor of Palestinian independence and critical of war crimes committed by Israel in its siege of Gaza, I attempted to explain in a back-and-forth discussion with a user (only afterwards learning was one of the community’s two moderators) why protest voting in the 2024 election to “punish” the democrats in favor of the republicans harmed the ultimate interest of reigning in Israeli violence in Palestine.
To further emphasize the damage caused by such a protest vote, I argued that not only is Palestine worse off with Trump elected instead of Harris, but as are a myriad of other social issues. The other user disagreed, arguing that Trump’s return to office facilitated the ceasefire, rather than my argument that Netanyahu deliberately delayed it to help Trump get elected.
After my fourth reply post in a reply chain that stemmed from my initial reply to the moderator’s comment, I was banned from !palestine@lemm.ee. Having at no point advocated in favor of the violence perpetuated by Israel in Gaza, I think the ban was unjustified, and demonstrates a bad precedent for maintaining echo chambers of moderator opinions, rather than communities that foster discussion.
PTB or CLM… I’m torn.
Your take on this is as shit as any other emanating from the lemmy.world liberal hivemind, but I don’t think the ban was justified (at least not according to the available information).
I think op actually has a point. Yeah the democrats were weak when it comes to Gaza. But, they didn’t say “the west bank is yours for the taking. Go get!” Not to mention the largely peaceful anti-israel protests that were commonplace under the democrats will now get violently shut down by autocratic style policing. Protest votes only work when the only other outcome isn’t literal fascism.
Also trump has an extremely pro Israeli track record and is extremely racist, so I’m not sure why anyone would think he cares about Palestine at all.
Trump has advocated for, and put some rules in place that would allow, deporting international students who take part in a Palestine protest. That is in some ways worse that shooting the protestors, because killing young protestors is a quick way to get the entire country to rise up against you.
The Dems were not “weak” on Gaza - they very strongly supported their favorite little genocidal white supremacist colonialist project.
Nobody “handed” Israel the West Bank - the IDF can concentrate on the West Bank now because they were too entangled by their abysmal failure to beat Hamas in Gaza.
Good. The people doing “peaceful” protest needs to learn what “peaceful” protest amounts to one way or the other.
So does the entire US political establishment, including anyone the Dems will allow as a presidential candidate.
What I’m saying is that in order to convince people to show up to your protest now, you also have to convince them it’s worth getting shot over.
When they start shooting protestors, the time for protest is over.