Although personally in favor of Palestinian independence and critical of war crimes committed by Israel in its siege of Gaza, I attempted to explain in a back-and-forth discussion with a user (only afterwards learning was one of the community’s two moderators) why protest voting in the 2024 election to “punish” the democrats in favor of the republicans harmed the ultimate interest of reigning in Israeli violence in Palestine.

To further emphasize the damage caused by such a protest vote, I argued that not only is Palestine worse off with Trump elected instead of Harris, but as are a myriad of other social issues. The other user disagreed, arguing that Trump’s return to office facilitated the ceasefire, rather than my argument that Netanyahu deliberately delayed it to help Trump get elected.

After my fourth reply post in a reply chain that stemmed from my initial reply to the moderator’s comment, I was banned from !palestine@lemm.ee. Having at no point advocated in favor of the violence perpetuated by Israel in Gaza, I think the ban was unjustified, and demonstrates a bad precedent for maintaining echo chambers of moderator opinions, rather than communities that foster discussion.

  • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    15·
    3 天前

    It’s still insane to hear people say that. “Chose the lesser of two evils”.

    You do understand how fucking insane it is that you’re saying that, right?

      • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        22·
        3 天前

        Judging from the gloating as Palestinians die, despite the fact it was 20 million democrats who stayed home because they’re white enough Trump won’t bother them, yes. I do believe you like it. Democrats refuse to do anything to prevent fascism when they have power, and do nothing but complain about it when they don’t.

        I’ll believe you don’t like it when you lot stop acting so smug and morally superior while you watch Trump kill brown people slightly faster than Harris would. Because at the end of the day, you’re still happy they’re dying, because it makes you “right”.

            • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              31·
              3 天前

              I spent months on this website breathlessly pleading with morons like you, spelling this shit out in every possible way that I could.

              It is not gloating, it is frustration. And clearly, you’ve learned nothing.

              • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                22·
                3 天前

                Morons like me? I fucking voted for Harris because I had no fucking choice. It’s “cis, white, male” like you who sat on your fucking asses at home because you know Trump isn’t coming for you anyway. Twenty million of you shitheads stayed home, and now that democracy is going out the windows, you have the audacity to come on here and strut around like you’re the smartest fucking dildo in the room.

                Fuck you, you’re all racist pieces of shit. I should have known democrats would lose anyway, and still blame it on everyone but themselves. You lack the intellectual capability to even entertain the thought that your shit doesn’t stink. And in four years, when Trump runs for a third time, I have no doubt you’ll run another warhawk corporate liberal shitstain that’ll lose to him again. Because out of three elections against Trump, you’ve lost two, and you won’t even acknowledge that it was your fault in the first place.

                • Susaga@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  22·
                  3 天前

                  I fucking voted for Harris because I had no fucking choice.

                  So, you voted for the lesser evil? Got it.

                  • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                    22·
                    3 天前

                    And here you are, still being smug because your candidate likes killing people. Just stop pretending you care about genocide. You didn’t like Harris because she was the lesser evil, you just wanted evil.

    • Susaga@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      42·
      3 天前

      Do you think not choosing either evil somehow prevents both? I would fucking love if it worked like that, but it doesn’t. There are only two possible outcomes. You either receive the greater evil or the lesser evil.

      I want as little evil as possible, so I choose the lesser evil. If you don’t choose the lesser evil, you’re saying you don’t care how much evil there is in the world, and you allow the greater evil. Why would you choose to allow the greater evil?

      • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        22·
        3 天前

        That’s some real neoliberal bullshit. You lot have absolutely lost it, you know that? You’re straight up admitting your candidate is evil, and moralizing it like you’re the good guys. Yeah, you got me, Harris would have killed brown people a little slower. Congrats, that’s the fucking bar for politicians you’ve set. You’re never going to get anyone who isn’t an absolute monster, and you’re apparently perfectly fine with that, because it lets you be a smug little shit on social media.

        I don’t have any respect for you as a human being, if that’s your attitude. Evil is evil, and your support of that evil makes you just as evil as the ones dropping the bombs. Those dead Palestinians? Their blood is on your hands, for refusing to demand the “greatest nation on earth” be a little bit better than nazi Germany.

        • Susaga@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          22·
          3 天前

          because it lets you be a smug little shit on social media.

          I find it funny you said that.

          be a little bit better than nazi Germany.

          I also find this funny. There was a choice between “a little bit better than nazi Germany” and “nazi Germany.” You let “nazi Germany” win, then condemned everyone who supported “a little bit better than nazi Germany.”

          • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            22·
            3 天前

            You obviously can’t read, dumbass. I said you wouldn’t demand your candidate be a little better than nazi Germany. You gave us the choice between nazi Germany, and someone who thought nazi Germany didn’t go far enough. Naturally, I did the only thing I could, and voted for Harris, since she wanted to kill brown people a little slower and I thought maybe we could protest hard enough she would stop being a fucking piece of shit liberal and actually stand up to Israel.

            Meanwhile, you sat at home and voted for nobody, because democrats don’t give a shit about people who aren’t white. Now be a good little nazi and take that neoliberal bullshit back to lemmy.world.

            • Susaga@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              22·
              3 天前

              No you didn’t. You said you wanted the “greatest nation on earth” to be better than nazi Germany, not the political party. Why am I the only one who’s read your comments?

              Please stop making things up about me. I’m British. It’s impossible for me to have voted, and impossible for you to have known if I voted or not.

              But if I could, I would have done what you did, which is what I said to do from the very start, and voted for the lesser evil. Why the fuck are you trying to act superior for doing the same thing you’re condemning?

              Honestly? Given how vocal you are against Trump’s opponents, how bad-faith your arguments are, how often you insult people (with ablist language, too), and how you seem to treat the word “liberal” like a bad thing, you sound more like a Nazi than anyone else. And I block Nazis, soooooo…

              • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                21·
                3 天前

                Oh no, another liberal adherent to the horseshoe philosophy is gonna block me, oh no, how terrible. Better do it quick, it’s almost time for brunch, you milquetoast, wine-drinking, nazi enabler.