Stealing votes? Lmao are you fr? Did the fucking hamburglar sneak into the ballot box and swipe em? Democrats aren’t owed a fucking thing. I swear you libs forget that they’re supposed to convince you to vote for them, not chide and shame you into saying “yes master thank you master so kind of you master” when they roll out the latest piece of shit Wall Street picked for you.
Wisconsin and Michigan could have potentially flipped states if it was solely Biden vs Trump. Lost by 1%, and in both cases independents got combined more that 1% of the vote.
Just the first 2 stars in looked at though.
Let’s not even go into all the people that were bashing Biden and Harris getting others to belive they’re evil and not to vote for them.
So, I literally just went to 2 states and looked if the independent vote total was greater than the difference between the the 2 main candidates. Was it perfect, no, but it was late and I didn’t notice you answered earlier.
But every 3rd party vote was thrown away. Cause they’re no second, third, or fourth place. So in a race for first, where the first place winner is a shit show for most everyone if one guy wins, people spent their time and energy urging everyone to vote for someone besides Harris.
All this to say, your side fractured us too much and now the side that wants to kill us both is in charge.
Libertarian and RFK votes would have very likely gone to Trump if those candidates are removed. Your argument literally doesn’t sum up to reality. There is no state where leftist parties prevented a Harris win.
Your candidate(s) were bad. Your party hasn’t had an actually popular candidate since Obama, who ran on a progressive message but governed as a neoliberal. His actual policies produced both a reaction and disillusionment to your party because they didn’t actually offer “hope and change” following Bush and the financial crisis. The man and party didn’t officially support even the benign issue of gay marriage until it was overwhelmingly politically expedient.
Oh well there is Bernie, but your party establishment would rather ensure his campaign and those like it are crushed, even as “centrist” campaigns continue to lose. Because your party answers to Capital.
Liberal half measures and means testing policies poison the message and strength of actual leftism. They do not and cannot affect the root causes of real issues because as capitalists parties they do not and cannot attack the institutions of private property and market dogmatism. Their policy failures (Obamacare is literally a Heritage Foundation based subsidy to private insurance) are then used against “leftism” by fascists and conservatives against populations too overworked, propagandized, and poorly educated to see through them. Trump came into power by running against Clinton on NAFTA, a literal neoliberal (e.g. Reaganist/Thatcherist) policy proudly pushed through and supported by Democrats. He had a populist message that appealed to people distrustful of elites both times in a county where the major institutions are becoming less popular by the year. The dog whistles and appeals to evangelicals got the R base, but the rest pushed him over the line. Because people want change and action.
Your party’s weakness and ineffectual policies are far more to blame for the rise of fascism in this country than leftists, who have never been in power. That’s ignoring that this country has been reactionary since its founding, with Madison himself arguing during the constitutional convention that the purpose of government is to “protect the minority of the opulent from the majority”.
Have you ever read or studied actual leftist (i.e. socialist) theory or criticism?
Fascist apologia from libs, who could have seen that coming? If y’all really believed marxist leninists and fascists were the same you would have already resisted fascists like you would if y’all saw black people getting reparations or indigenous people getting their land back.
Cause this definitely would not have been happening if they had won AND Trump wants to kill all everyone in Gaza for his own benifit with American control so the genocide point is moot!
Everyone downvoting me is in denial about how much they fucked everybody
I don’t live in the US, but I do read serious history and keep up with news outside of your warhawk corporate media. The only difference to us has been that your dumbfuck president doesn’t know how to do like democrats and find a nice way to say why he’s bombing, jailing, killing, stealing from the rest of the world.
Absolutely none of this shit is new, just now CNN and the NYT and the Atlantic are acknowledging it happens and liberals can finally pretend the great big industrial murder machine was built in a day by Trump and not a day before he came in.
This thread is literally about the government detaining legal immigrants who were opposing the genocide. Which party is detaining them?
Would this still have happened if the democrats won? Cause the war in Gaza is still going on, and the Orange man now wants the property for himself so all the Gazians need to go! So seems like your whining all the time has actually caused things to get worse! Congrats
The democrats put the laws in place to persecute protestors and they absolutely detained them before Trump ever got there, back when y’all were denying genocide. Stop pretending your country is only a fascist apartheid state when there’s a guy you didn’t vote for at the helm.
Jesus Christ do democrats ever shut up
About a fuckup of global implications? Well no, they shouldn’t
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Let me ask you this, what has any third party candidate done recently besides steal votes when it mattered? Where is thier fight now?
Stealing votes? Lmao are you fr? Did the fucking hamburglar sneak into the ballot box and swipe em? Democrats aren’t owed a fucking thing. I swear you libs forget that they’re supposed to convince you to vote for them, not chide and shame you into saying “yes master thank you master so kind of you master” when they roll out the latest piece of shit Wall Street picked for you.
You also didn’t answer the question, you just want to jump on making fun on someone. Very telling
So, what has Jill Stein been up to since receiving her 100% earned and definitely not just put there to cause a distraction among non-MAGA votes?
protesting the genocide in gaza. actually got arrested for it.
Nope, that happened before the election. She only just now received the charges for it this month though
Try again.
oh, in that case, dealing with corrupt officials trying to silence her. it’s just another day for jill.
As if she’s the only one dealing with that
the question was what has she been up to. that’s enough, imo
What states did Trump win because Stein votes? Or PSL?
Wisconsin and Michigan could have potentially flipped states if it was solely Biden vs Trump. Lost by 1%, and in both cases independents got combined more that 1% of the vote.
Just the first 2 stars in looked at though.
Let’s not even go into all the people that were bashing Biden and Harris getting others to belive they’re evil and not to vote for them.
So you think the entirety of “independents” are leftists? You’re counting RFK and Libertarian party votes as leftist votes in your calculations?
Also, 312 - 25 (MI + WI) delegates is 287. Trump still wins. Try again.
You and your party clearly didn’t learn anything from 2016 and the reaction + disillusionment to the Obama years.
So, I literally just went to 2 states and looked if the independent vote total was greater than the difference between the the 2 main candidates. Was it perfect, no, but it was late and I didn’t notice you answered earlier.
But every 3rd party vote was thrown away. Cause they’re no second, third, or fourth place. So in a race for first, where the first place winner is a shit show for most everyone if one guy wins, people spent their time and energy urging everyone to vote for someone besides Harris.
All this to say, your side fractured us too much and now the side that wants to kill us both is in charge.
Libertarian and RFK votes would have very likely gone to Trump if those candidates are removed. Your argument literally doesn’t sum up to reality. There is no state where leftist parties prevented a Harris win.
Your candidate(s) were bad. Your party hasn’t had an actually popular candidate since Obama, who ran on a progressive message but governed as a neoliberal. His actual policies produced both a reaction and disillusionment to your party because they didn’t actually offer “hope and change” following Bush and the financial crisis. The man and party didn’t officially support even the benign issue of gay marriage until it was overwhelmingly politically expedient.
Oh well there is Bernie, but your party establishment would rather ensure his campaign and those like it are crushed, even as “centrist” campaigns continue to lose. Because your party answers to Capital.
Liberal half measures and means testing policies poison the message and strength of actual leftism. They do not and cannot affect the root causes of real issues because as capitalists parties they do not and cannot attack the institutions of private property and market dogmatism. Their policy failures (Obamacare is literally a Heritage Foundation based subsidy to private insurance) are then used against “leftism” by fascists and conservatives against populations too overworked, propagandized, and poorly educated to see through them. Trump came into power by running against Clinton on NAFTA, a literal neoliberal (e.g. Reaganist/Thatcherist) policy proudly pushed through and supported by Democrats. He had a populist message that appealed to people distrustful of elites both times in a county where the major institutions are becoming less popular by the year. The dog whistles and appeals to evangelicals got the R base, but the rest pushed him over the line. Because people want change and action.
Your party’s weakness and ineffectual policies are far more to blame for the rise of fascism in this country than leftists, who have never been in power. That’s ignoring that this country has been reactionary since its founding, with Madison himself arguing during the constitutional convention that the purpose of government is to “protect the minority of the opulent from the majority”.
Have you ever read or studied actual leftist (i.e. socialist) theory or criticism?
You’re Laughing Your Ass Off in a thread about the government openly bragging about deporting legal immigrants but yeah democrats are the baddies
Reminder: Biden still put immigrant kids in fucking cages. He just didn’t brag about it.
You voted for that, you morally bankrupt imbecile. You told the system that you wanted that.
Not just cages - solitary confinement
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Fascist apologia from libs, who could have seen that coming? If y’all really believed marxist leninists and fascists were the same you would have already resisted fascists like you would if y’all saw black people getting reparations or indigenous people getting their land back.
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I’m not interested in debate, if there were anything to be gained from a conversation with closet fascists we’d already be in Star Trek territory.
Cause this definitely would not have been happening if they had won AND Trump wants to kill all everyone in Gaza for his own benifit with American control so the genocide point is moot!
Everyone downvoting me is in denial about how much they fucked everybody
I don’t live in the US, but I do read serious history and keep up with news outside of your warhawk corporate media. The only difference to us has been that your dumbfuck president doesn’t know how to do like democrats and find a nice way to say why he’s bombing, jailing, killing, stealing from the rest of the world.
Absolutely none of this shit is new, just now CNN and the NYT and the Atlantic are acknowledging it happens and liberals can finally pretend the great big industrial murder machine was built in a day by Trump and not a day before he came in.
Yes. Democrats have always been happy to forcefully detain legal immigrants, i totally forgot!
Get tf out of here with your bad take
Democrats never found a genocide they won’t apologize for
This thread is literally about the government detaining legal immigrants who were opposing the genocide. Which party is detaining them?
Would this still have happened if the democrats won? Cause the war in Gaza is still going on, and the Orange man now wants the property for himself so all the Gazians need to go! So seems like your whining all the time has actually caused things to get worse! Congrats
Things haven’t gotten worse in Gaza, you’ve just stopped denying what’s happening. In that sense, Trump has been better for Gaza.
The democrats put the laws in place to persecute protestors and they absolutely detained them before Trump ever got there, back when y’all were denying genocide. Stop pretending your country is only a fascist apartheid state when there’s a guy you didn’t vote for at the helm.
Oh, you mean the laws put into place by Republican favorite Ron DeSantis? Cause that definitely wasn’t put into place by democrats.
Stop mixing up your timeliness and putting all the blame on democrats
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/biden-deportation-border-geo-group/