Per the modlog, deploying their excellent rhetorical tactic of “I wish I could beat other users to death with a tire iron”
I wouldn’t take that as a realistic threat tbh
They were very aggressive, and wouldn’t back down, basically. They did threaten actionable violence against specific named people, a la tire iron, a number of times, and the last one was really the last straw.
And in particular there was a lot of aggression targeted towards our own users, and towards other socialist public figures. The wrong kind of aggression, at the wrong target.
Tbh “when you visited Seattle I was considering picking you up just to prove that no one here would care enough to ransom you” is a WAY more actionable threat than “I’d like to beat you with a tire iron”.
Who hasn’t been casually threatened online with violence? Talking about beating the shit out of someone is so commonplace it’s almost cliché. And I say that as a victim of that kind of violence.
I mean, it can’t really be actionable if the Seattle visit was forever ago, right? Maybe it deserves removal, but Nak’s ban was in large part because they kept doing it, when Nakoichi should’ve long toned it down.
And I think we’d generally prefer to not have a community where users regularly threaten violence towards each other, it doesn’t really feel like the atmosphere Hexbear’s meant to have, even if it’s not generally unusual.
idk not to get too deep in another instance’s struggle session but i kinda feel like death threats are so deeply ingrained in internet culture that it would be neither possible nor desirable to completely eradicate them. maybe that’s just a product of the exact age i am. it’s one of my shakier takes
Half of it is that we don’t want more LEO attention, actionable threats of violence just aren’t really something we can keep online. Hexbear is also supposed to be something of a refuge for Hexbears, where we don’t have to deal with the toxicity and reactionaries that pervade real life and the wider internet. We’ve had a rule against harassment of users that we’ve enforced for years.
As long as you don’t violate the ToS and CoC your stuff won’t be removed. I can advocate violence against slave-owners, or say “Death to Amerika” all I want on Hexbear, since they don’t violate the normal rules, and those aren’t targeted at a user, a specific person, or a specific organization. After all posting about killing slaveowners (as in even specifically Civil War slave-owners, John Brown type posting) is why r/chapo was banned, and had to migrate to Hexbear.
I hope I’m explaining this well. I don’t mod in this comm, but I mod a bunch of other places on Hexbear, so I like to think I understand the rules and their reasoning.
If we’re talking about “toxicity” and an “environment” that’s non-threatening, it’s worth saying that a big part of the grudge involved was because Nako as a mod banned one of the most chronically aggressive and sectarian and bad-faith users on this site.
People are responsible for themselves and Nako should have known way better than to cross what was a well-established line, but it’s worth keeping in mind the context that makes this not just a once-off thing.
Also if someone were to mention that they were tracking my movements, and had a personal motive to do me harm instead of a spur-of-the-moment one, I would be a lot more concerned than if someone just said “beat you with (insert rigid object here)”. The former fulfills motivation, ability, and prompt; the latter covers just a fleeting motivation.
yeah that does make sense. i guess i wasn’t aware of all the lore behind nakoichi either. maybe the world i imagined when i was 14-18 never existed lmao
The constant aggression, threats of violence, crash outs, telling another user to kill themselves, fondness for tire irons, the list goes on
Also refusal to ever learn
I dunno but I saw them being an asshole to people all the time, could be that
Threats of violence
Forgot to specify “in Minecraft”
yeah i’ve been pretty busy so i was thinking of asking the same
I knew Nako would get fired up sometimes and was personally more on the “your anger is a gift” side of things, but now that I’m hearing that they wanted to beat other hexbears with a tire iron - yeah i get it
suicide baiting too? come on man. a damn shame
remember to log off sometimes
Nakoichi, if you read this, your public declarations of binge drinking in the blorp chat had me concerned. I know life has been rough and we cope how we can, but consider how that’s affecting you and others around you. Consider taking a break and, like, find some healthier way, idk. Wish you the best.
I don’t think it was the proximate reason, but suicide baiting a user definitely didn’t help
God damn it Nako
On one level it was him allowing himself to be baited into getting aggro on people.
On another level it was people with a personal vendetta against him looking for just the right offense to jump on.
Debating the semantics over the symbiotic/mutualistic nature of the American state and the Israeli state should never have been a struggle session.
Debating whether to have
instead of just 
should not have blown up as much either.looks like he was threatening violence during struggle session on analysis.
from my very brief immediate surface inspection - it seem they interpreted that the understanding that AIPAC has influence in american politics must conclude that we exist under a “Zionist occupied government” and became very upset, then using phrases implying the beating of other users with a tire iron
that saying aipac has influence in american politics is on par with pushing that ridiciously ZOG theory.
i am not fully confident is putting out my thoughts but i thought this substack does a pretty good job explaining it
looks like a struggle session on analysis.
no it was definitely because they were threatening to beat people with a tire iron lmao
oh sorry right i am wrong, don’t know why i worded it that way - i had the sentence in my head but forgot to type it
FWIW, Nakoichi apologized on an Alt account, took responsibility, and expressed the desire to touch grass, because online was becoming too important.
wasn’t that someone impersonating them?
edit: it was
oops, my bad.
The real Nakoichi did say “I made a comment I probably shouldn’t have”
A happy ending for all involved tbh. I have also had some periods being way too angry online. It feels good to unplug lol.
That was someone impersonating them.
feel like we should finally close c/fakenews after that, it’s super obvious who it was…
Hexbear lore is complicated
yeah i wouldn’t trouble yourself with it lol. it’s in its “warring cliques that all suck” internet forum arc.
That’s wild lmao
