There’s a difference between a 15-year-old and a 5-year-old, you know?
She should not be able to walk down the street without constant reminder of making this statement about victims of sex trafficking. Absolute monster of a person.
There’s a difference between a 15-year-old and a 5-year-old, you know?
“There really is, one is annoying and one is hot”. -Trump, probably
More like “I’ll be dating her in 5 years, and her in 15.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/12/13265670/trump-10-year-old-girl
More like “I’ve been dating her for 2 years, and her in another 8.”
In his defense, teenagers are annoying as fuck.
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I’m so sorry
Relevant username?
Nah, that was funny.
I really only want to talk to people between the ages of 30 and 60.
respectively?
Megan Kelly has a 15 year old daughter, someone should call CPS and look into this poor kid if her mom thinks a grown man grooming her isnt a bad thing
I want every single, sheltered Lemmy progressive to use this opportunity to SPAM every message board, every subreddit, every facebook group, with this clip, this story, Megan Kelly’s warp-distorted face rationalizing the abuse of children.
THIS is the shit we need to be doing and putting all our energy into instead of infighting about what words are problematic.
I mean, you will succeed in turning some people away from Megan Kelly but mostly only dying boomers are watching her anyway.
you will succeed in turning some people away from Megan Kelly
I’ll take it.
I agree with the sentiment, but you lost me at using corporate social media. Eww.
Can we shove these clips in MAGA CHUDs’ faces IRL instead, please?
using corporate social media
If you can reach enough people, do what you will, but it’s ridiculous to be performative about it, millions of conservatives use social media, they trust social media, social media is what got trump fucking elected to begin with.
Why? It’s different both legally and clinically. Almost all states increase the severity of the crime for younger victims, usually choosing the delineating age around 12 or 13.
Yeah, that seems on brand
Yes, it’s technically Hebephilia or Ephebophilia. That doesn’t change the level of disdain.
Yes, it’s technically
Exactly the same if I started to call driving with a blood alcohol level between 0.8% and 25% “happy fun time driving” and pretended that means it’s no longer the same as DUI…
People can make up all the terms they want, don’t change the law tho.
At .4% I call it Death. By 25% I think that’s just a type of embalming procedure.
I like to think of laws as flibberlintons because who the hell cares if you break a flibberlinton?
You’re off by an order of magnitude in these percentages.
In most places, it is legal to drive with a blood alcohol content between 0.025% and 0.08%.
Over 0.08% is a DUI.
Over 0.8% is death.
25%… you’d indeed need a thanatologist to get there.
technically Hebephilia or Ephebophilia
You’ve been made mod of r/Libertarian
That doesn’t change the level of disdain.
You’ve been removed as mod for r/Libertarian
Relevant stand up https://youtu.be/nu6C2KL_S9o
Open comments just to check of somebody post this!
“You’ve heard the news?” 😂
Still a kid fucker.
Holy shit they’re actually doing the hebophile bit
Yeah, but it’s impossible to explain without sounding like a pedophile…
Life imitates art as one of our favorite Gianmarco shorts comes to life
TIL hebophile and ephebophile, two words I didn’t want to know existed.
It is a useful distinction when considering possible rehabilitation. In general conversation it’s just weird.
The best explanation I have seen was that it’s like death metal sure there’s varying types and styles within death metal but at the end of the day the only ones who really care about those distinctions are death metal fans.
(My apology to any death metal fan offended by the comparison)
All sub categories of reprehensible creep
I don’t think a 20 year old dating a 17 year old falls into that category but it would fall under the legal definition you’re referring to in many states. That’s the problem with drawing arbitrary lines, you usually end up labeling some things incorrectly. That doesn’t mean you get rid of the line but understanding the context is still important.
That being said, there is no amount of context that will lessen the creepiness of a 50+ year old man serially preying upon 15 year old girls. That’s disgusting and I find Megyn Kelly’s invocation of this defense to be indefensible. She should be ashamed of herself if she were capable of feeling shame.
Yeah of course a 20 year old dating a 17 year old is fine…we all know this isn’t what they are talking about…it’s disgusting people trying to justify someone old enough to be their parent or grandparent…
Maryland has a system in place to protect teenagers…the age of consent is 16 (which if you’re over 21, shame on you) but there’s a 4 year sliding clause, so for example if your 17, a pissed parent cannot charge you for having relations with their 14 year old, if all was on the up and up.
I’m in my 40s and anyone under 30 is too young.
Being sexually attracted to 17 year old females makes someone a reprehensible creep?
Most straight men probably fit into that.
Especially when the age of consent in half the states of the US is 16.
17 year olds still tend to be physically less developed… But even if they’re not, if you’re more than a handful of years older than the 17 year old, having a sexual relationship with them is still exploitative since they’re still mentally (both emotionally and reasoning abilities) immature.
I agree.
But being attracted to someone is distinct from having a sexual relationship with them. I can be attracted to a married person, a mentally ill or incompetent person, or even a minor. It’s not necessarily wrong unless I engage with them.
I mean it’s kind of important to be more mindful about the choice of words in general as many people say pedophile but mean child predator.
There are many people born with that attraction to kids that never act on it or even actively seek help.
The whole “let’s call everyone a pedophile” is doing more harm than good as it creates a huge stigma preventing people from looking for help.
That said: they are 100% not caring about that at all and just moving the goalpost…
I do 100% agree that the concept of having hugely varied terms for pedophile, and say the term Minor attracted person, and get really sick of hearing people lash out on when the term MAP is used to say “You just want to protect pedophiles”.
No I want people who have the urge to abuse children, to get treatement and never act on it and live peaceful happy lives where they never harm an innocent person, and to me that is far better of an outcome than a child being abused, but supposedly it gets made up for by the abuser getting tortured in prison.
I don’t know. Can’t we just stigmatize it to the point where their only recourse is to turn to faith and try to live a life of celibacy and denial? They can all become priests or something. That’ll help them with the internalized guilt while they’re at it!
uncomfortable catholic church tugs on its collar
I don’t think priests go celibate. What you’re suggesting would likely result in a lot of child molestation
I’m sure god wouldn’t let that happen. Let’s just give it a try for a few hundred years.
Perhaps it’s a personal failing but I generally don’t care why somebody doesn’t abuse minors, I only really care that they don’t abuse minors.
If the person has never acted on it, then there isn’t really anyway to know and he wouldn’t be labeled with it.
I guess we could be more accepting of people that just download pictures, but downloading those pictures is acting on it, and shows that they have trouble controlling it.
I get your point, and that it isn’t always their fault, but the link between both words seems very justified imo.
Except that people who have not acted on it and are seeking support in continuing to not act on it are afraid of identifying themselves as pedophiles because the association, even amongst mental health professionals, is with the action and not the thoughts.
Ya, that’s a fair point.
I’ve never heard the word hebophile and I bet a lot of people haven’t either. Sometimes when unfamiliar words are introduced as part of a story or event, they become a central part of that story and forever linked to it. Maybe people should use it more regarding trump.
I really wish I lived in a world where psychiatrists could spend time inventing terms for people who prefer rogue-likes versus people who prefer rogue-lites instead of this shit.
I learned about hebophilia yesterday and today I started wondering if I’m supposed to be pronouncing ephebophilia as “ep-hebophilia” or was i right saying “ef-ebophilia”
Look at those goalposts go!
It is so predictable that conservatives would end up in “Pedophilia isn’t that bad” once it became undeniable that Great Leader raped little girls.
funny that QAnon stuff circled around Dems having pedo-leanings and that was an OUTRAGE yet now it turns out to be OK, Humane even… wtf? Their morals exist only to stick it to anyone opposing them and they evaporate the second one of their own is caught doing exact thing
Q-anon was never about children.
It was always about the fantasy headline: “Uneducated Everyman Uncovers Massive, World-Altering Secrets and Becomes Huge Hero by Decoding Publicly Published Materials for Unique Connections and Number Puzzles”
They are entirely damaged or dumb or religiously brainwashed people who are so deeply insecure about their lack of factual understanding of the world, that Q-anon became their “gateway” to some kind of real way to impact the world and be recognized for something good.
When a family member of mine fell down this pitcher-plant of mental illness and delusion, I went deep and hard into learning everything I could about the movement and conspiracy culture. Sadly my family member could not be pulled out and was at one point arrested for trying to… abduct girls. Seriously. He rationalized that he was trying to “save” them.
I read somewhere that people like conspiracy theories because it gives them a sense that they know secret information that others don’t know.
I wish I could say my family member was my only exposure to conspiracy derangement, but I’ve know a handful of them.
And it’s ABSOLUTELY what you said. These are people who don’t understand things. They don’t have a grasp of scale of things, they don’t know math and numbers and don’t get how populations work and how systems work, from city infrastructure to political institutions. They get severely insecure or anxious when something comes up that makes them feel that insecurity… like almost any news story or political scandal.
So they write their own story using magic and mysticism and ideas they pulled from grifters online basically telling children’s stories and fairy tales about flat worlds and goblins who steal children.
Having a “secret” story makes them feel knowledgeable, like they have something they can teach others, a way to be relevant and respected. Even if it’s just by other delusional people.
Yep, this pretty much nails it.
The conspiracy makes them feel a sense of importance that they can’t get in any other aspects of their lives. It is sad, these people cause real harm to those around them with these fantasy worlds they buy into.
Telling them they are wrong, often just feeds the delusion; because you don’t know the secrete, this makes them feel more of the same, feeding the conspiracy further.
There is also a kind of reverse virtue signaling to each other about how “edgy” they are when it comes to being steeped in/buying into what they think is insider knowledge…
For example, the ones that claim they are flat-earthers - I honestly think many of them might not really believe it, but use it as a way to play the kid skipping science class and smoking out behind the school, basically as a way to raise up their middle finger to annoy the people they think are just being schoolmarms: “you’re not going to tell ME what to believe, I did my own research!”
The reality is, anyone they think of as a schoolmarm (“normie”) just mostly would rather ignore these asshats, and just roll our eyes at their juvenile and backward ways. Sadly, what these idiots do in large groups ends up harming everyone - e.g., not vaccinating, being terrible at reasoning skills, basic numeracy and literacy, while at the same time being able to vote for the Republicans.
There is much of what you describe in these communities, and a lot of it is even simpler and sadder than that, which is people desperately scared of death and clinging to religion to provide some level of comfort.
One of my favorite documentaries of all time is Dan Olsen’s In Search of a Flat Earth, it’s a sublime journey that starts with a beautiful and pleasant journey into measuring the humbling scope and scale of our world, and in the second act, delves deep into conspiracy theorists and their motivations.
Treating girls as property is a conservative value.
But they’re still probably gonna push to prosecute lgbtq people as pedophiles. They should at least have to pretend to be consistent.
End up? They were already there since at least almost a decade ago.
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There’s a few pedos in every group, also pedo haters. JD Delay is not a Trumper but he’s conservative and always advocates for the woodchipper for pedophiles, but he’s been mostly pointing out pedophiles on the left. That said, he would advocate the woodchipper for any and all of them. His merch includes "“Make Pedophiles Scared Again” shirts and “Woodchipper for President '28” hats.
He’s not a Pedophile unless he comes from the Pedo region of Epstein Island, otherwise he’s just sparkling child molester.
Holy shit this is an underrated comment .
Bravo sir.
He’s quite the vintage. I hear 79 cock is magical. It dissapears!
*rapist
I’m pretty sure they named the pedo region of Epstein island after him
Im sorry, is this a conversation about the degree to which he is a pedophile?
Apparently for his sycophant followers. Absolutely insane.
No, it’s that he was a hebephile instead of a pedophile.
There is a distinction between the two, they are both still fucking bad.
You’re a pedophile defender.
No, I’m not — I was disgusted to hear Megan Kelly try to draw some kind of positive distinction between “barely legal types” and “children”.
Personally I don’t consider the distinction between terms to be meaningful beyond human need to categorize. A 12 to 16 year old is still a fucking child, a 17 year old is still a child. There are plenty of arguments to make about whether 18 year olds are adults.
That being said, nothing about my comment suggests that I support the message they’re trying to portray. Maybe read the entire comment before calling me a conservative next time, ok?
the more they try to come up with new terminology to excuse it away, the more I just put them in the bucket labelled ‘kid fuckers’.
I think that putting enough thought to categorize between hebephile and pedophile is already and upsetting amount of my brain power spent on people who hurt kids.
I have a better thing to call them — castrated. Or dead, I don’t care — whatever prevents this from happening to other children.
I have a better thing to call them — castrated. Or dead, I don’t care — whatever prevents this from happening to other children.
I too dream of a day when consequences are a thing for shitty people. keep hope alive.
whether 18 year olds are adults
Some would say that holds true until well into people’s 20s
It’s the same old defense heard from conservatives everywhere. He’s not a pedophile, he’s a hebephile. Whatever
Are you drunk?
You need to read and reread what I’ve said. Good god.
… And this, my friends, is a perfect example of Poe’s Law.
No they are ust saying there is a difference. That’s why there are two different words.
Reminds me of all the disgusting turds in the courts who went, “Aw it was just a little rape.”
This is one of the wildest most disgusting goal post moves I’ve ever heard
From the people who brought you pizzagate.
It’s ALWAYS projection.
You gotta remember, ALL of the chips are on this guy, the base hates most of the policy and could barely name any of the cabinet, they’re just there for the figurehead.
What are they even defending here. Even if they were 18 year old trafficked women it would be heinous.
It’s not like he was dating young girls or some shit, this is about sex crimes of which their age is only one of the awful awful factors.
When you start making defenses that involve distinguishing between pedophilia and hebephilia you lost a long time ago.
It’s like distinguishing between burglary and robbery. Maybe it makes a difference in the exact length of their sentence but they’re still both serious crimes
Technically, pedophilia is considered a mental disorder. it’s listed in the DSM-V. Pedophiles could be considered mentally ill.
Hebophilia and ephebophilia aren’t illnesses. They are crimes.
What are these words?
Is a square not a rectangle?
Getting out in front of the Epstein release I see.
Law enforcement baits out pedos to arrest using fake 16 year olds all day long. They can’t spin this.
well a pedophile goes for prepubescent children….
Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19
so like, still a sex predator for underage girls….
In most US states that would not be illegal.
Here it begins. Republicans will want to normalize pedophilia.
These people are sick. Saying this is public should earn a person an automatic 48 hour mental welfare hold.
They’re just deflecting from the trafficking and rape part. Call them out on it.
“This is this person’s view, who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type. Like, he liked 15-year-old girls,” she continued. “I’m just giving you facts that he wasn’t into, like, 8-year-olds. But he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a passerby.”
“And that is what I believed and that is what I reliably was told for many years.”
Kelly admitted that she began to change her opinion after Attorney General Pam Bondi claimed that Epstein had thousands of videos with child sexual abuse material.
“For the first time, I thought, oh, no, he was an actual pedophile,” the conservative host recalled.
Megan “I was fine with him fucking teenagers” Kelly, everyone.
But he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a passerby."
How does this make any sense at all? How does one “pass as even younger” but still somehow “look legal to passersby”? Those are directly conflicting concepts.
Probably “look like a 12 year old to your average person but perfectly fuckable to the GOP.”
Republicans are well known for their adherence to directly conflicting concepts.
It’s called desperation
Sometimes you got to wonder if hate Muhammed just because want to be like Muhammed so bad
goddamn this fucking talking point is spreading. Just yesterday I was watching a video where some maga piece of shit was questioning a streamer about why he thinks its wrong that adults rape 13 year olds. Pretty soon we’re going to have absolutely no choice except physical violence.
for ref: https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1ovted6/we_breathe_the_same_air_as_these_people/
This talking point is very popular among the right wing libertarian guys who are so offputting they cannot date their peers.
It’s also popular among Christian fascist theocrats who want to be able to date and marry children.
It is spreading for a reason though. There certainly is a difference between raping an 8 year old and a 16 year old. And medically it is defined as “sexual interest in prepubescent children.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19327034/ People have started slinging the term even at guys dating 20 something year old women just because they are 50 or 60. In short, the term has been made into a dog whistle and used were it doesn’t apply because it carries more negative connotations than terms like statutory rape, sexual assualt of a minor, sex trafficking.
Frankly, I think the term has been cheapened by this misuse. Now when people here someone is a pedo, instead of immediate revulsion, they have to ask, “what kind of pedo”. It shouldn’t be that way. All of the phrases should be bad enough that we don’t need to exaggerate. So it is more the acceptance that statutory rape is ok that is the source of the problem.
That said, the motives for this talking head to say what she said are purely political. Her words aren’t worth spit.
The biggest tragedy about everyone on the left using pedophile as a dog whistle is that it actually directly harms children in my opinion. Pedophelia is a mental disorder, and just because someone is a pedophile doesn’t mean they have ever or will ever harm a child or anyone else for that matter.
The problem with everybody using the word pedo and creating such a hateful and negative reaction to that word instead of the more proper term of child sex offender or child rapist, is it directly results in pedophiles who want to get mental health help to ensure they never hurt a child, never will and they will just keep it quiet because their entire life will be destroyed if they try to get professional help.
Of course, everybody is always responsible for their actions, but all of you using the word pedo in such a negative and catch-all way directly results in children being harmed.
You all need to use better terminology, like rapist or child sex abuser, not using a real DSM-5 mental disorder to vilify.
I won’t compare it directly to any other mental disorders because I will get a significant amount of hate, but imagine picking any other DSM-5 disorder and using it as a catch-all to vilify, it would be unpopular.
WOW…just…WOOOOWWWWWW
