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Fmr Obama speechwriter Sarah Hurwitz laments to Jewish Federation that people are finding content from “Al Jazeera and Nick Fuentes” on social media and seeing videos of “the carnage in Gaza.”
Holocaust education has backfired in part as people see Palestinians as Jews’ victims, she adds.
“They think the lesson of the Holocaust is…you fight the big powerful people hurting the weak people.”
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They think the lesson of the Holocaust is…you fight the big powerful people hurting the weak people
Well fuck then, what do they think it was?
Opens link…The lesson they were supposed to get is that it gives Israel the right to commit genocide in perpetuity
The lesson they were supposed to get is that it gives Israel the right to commit genocide in perpetuity
Yes, this is the actual intended purpose of a lot of (probably most) Holocaust education. It’s organized by non-profits and think tanks with lots of funding, which are generally zionist groups. This is also why Jewish victims of the Holocaust get nearly 100% of the focus in the public idea of WW2. Westerners are much less concerned with Roma, sexual minorities, communists, or the tens of millions of Slavs and ethnic minorities who were murdered (non-exhaustive list).
They’re really like “the lesson of the holocaust is antisemitism bad” which, like, okay sure that is part of the lesson. But there were an additional 6M victims who were not jewish. Incredibly selfish take to think that your marginalized group is the only one that matters & to claim the entirety of the holocaust’s conferred victim status when your group was only 50% of the victims.
True, but then Zionists only barely give a shit about the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, never mind all the other victims that aren’t useful for their genocidal project propaganda.
Is it…
‘Sissy’?
CW mocking of genocide victims.
It’s “Israeli” slang for holocaust victims, because soap is made from ash.
More than that. Allegedly …
CW nazi shit
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The nazis would make soap out of the fat/bodies of the holocaust victims, and the Pissralis view them as cowards because they “allowed themselves to be killed”, therefore, “soap” means “coward”.
Sort of yes, “coward” because (CW zionist/nazi shit)
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Pissralis view holocaust victims as weak/cowards for allowing themselves to be killed. Allegedly the nazis would make soap out of their victims’ bodies, therefore “soap” means “coward/sissy”.
And also antisemitism covers Palestinians; they’re almost genetically identical to Jews.
i mean, one has to always remember that it’s not really about blood or genetic composition or religion, it’s about empire. saying they are semitic or indigenous is a front, an invention, a trick to give some rhetorical cover. If whiteys have made south africa in the arabian peninsula elsewhere, you also won’t hear the end of how they belong there
They are more Semitic than the Germans that left Germany to colonize the middle east and do… oh they did the Germany thing.
That’s not what antisemitism means, it has always just been a more clever-sounding way to say “I hate Jews”.
True… but I have seen neofascists explicitly reject Palestinians on grounds of their Jewish heritage, and I have noticed that, in general, there is an overlap between Jew-hatred and Arab-hatred. I have seen antisemites blame Jews for the influx of Middle Easterners moving to Europe and its former settler-colonies.
So while I don’t apply ‘antisemitism’ in its literal sense like @Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net would, sometimes I wonder if it is worthwhile to quibble with those who do.
If that isn’t the lesson you should take from the holocaust then i don’t know what it’s fucking supposed to be
For Zionists the Holocaust is the example that Jewish people can’t live in Europe aka essentially agreeing with the Nazis
“Israelis get to do whatever they want and you’re a bigot if you disagree.”
I genuinely believe she thinks the lesson should be that the wrong people got genocided, not that genocide is inherently bad.
Classic DemonRat logic: “It’s a messaging problem that everyone can see how fucking awful we are acting and we can’t commit a genocide in complete opacity”
If she said any of this in a slightly different way it would be indistinguishable from a bloodthirsty maniac. She says:
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Media was better when it was purely American and controlled by two or three corporations. People seeing the opinions and media of foreigners is bad
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Video footage of genocide can be explained away using tables and statistics. Children seeing actual photographic evidence of genocide should be easily persuaded into believing the opposite of their lying eyes through curated graphs
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The holocaust is not an event that can be compared to other instances of racism and genocide. In particular, it can not be used to discuss similar treatment of black people by white people, and it certainly cannot be used to discuss the current state of Palestinians.
This is just an outright evil person, right?
I’m starting to think the parts of the Holocaust where gay people, catholics, Roma people, communists etc were killed didn’t bother her using this logic.
In many cases, westerners think that those people weren’t genocided (only Jews were) and if they do think it happened, they deserved it because communists and Roma are bad in their eyes.
I’d say that what she is saying already sounds like stuff a bloodthirsty maniac would say.
So yes, she is an outright evil person.
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She backhandedly says that lessons from the holocaust would mistakenly lead people to sympathise with black folks and Palestinian s. Former Obama aide by the way. Do these people hear themselves?
no, and if you perceive what they said negatively you’re stalking and doing harassment and making them feel unsafe as a jew.
feel unsafe you mother fucking [sounds of a struggle]
They think the lesson of the Holocaust is…you fight the big powerful people hurting the weak people
YES! That’s the fucking lesson in all of history! The big guy is always the bad guy! Power corrupts!
That’s what a psychopath unmasking looks like, it’s genuinely disturbing how these elite meetups, conferences, book tours seem to create an environment where severely anti-social personalities feel comfortable enough to unmask without any response or reaction
Don’t pathologize these people, they chose to be this way.
I disagree, I believe the system actively selects for these people, psychopathic tendencies are absolutely catnip to elite recruiters
Only a small minority of the people in charge have personality disorders and only a small minority of people with personality disorders are in charge. They’re not psychopaths, they have actively chosen to adopt these opinions because the system selects for people with these opinions.
On top of that, few of us are qualified to identify psychopaths, and doing it incorrectly only reinforces the same idealist view of the world that you see in American media.
The system selecting for elite opinions and psychopathy are not mutually exclusive, in reality they reinforce each other
The exact percentage is meaningless because we can’t prove what the exact number is either way, but the point is we can draw conclusions about the mindsets and lack of empathy among the elite through observations and taking into account how they select for people in positions of power
and doing it incorrectly only reinforces the same idealist view of the world that you see in American media.
I don’t know what you mean by this, American media is in no way, shape, or form asserting American elites are psychopaths, they’re literally doing the exact opposite, either by whitewashing the actions and personalities of these people or outright lying about how elites are benevolent caretakers
Like I’m sorry but if someone is gonna talk about Palestinians like that, I’m gonna call them a psychopath and I don’t need a psychology decree to do it
American media is in no way, shape, or form asserting American elites are psychopaths
American media constantly pathologizes evil. These people are monsters because it benefits them, not from a psychiatric condition.
don’t need a psychology decree to do it
You are using the language of psychology (psychopaths, unmasking) and you are not qualified to do so. Even if you were, diagnosing someone from a tweet would be malpractice.
We cannot and should not explain these things by resorting to misusing psychiatric language. These people nearly always do these things because of their material conditions, not an underlying pathology.
Really, the media “pathologizes evil” in Obama staffers and speechwriters? And apparently worst of all, me calling this genocidal zionist ghoul a psychopath is malpractice? WTF?
These people are monsters because it benefits them, not from a psychiatric condition.
That’s not mutually exclusive, did you watch the clip? Does she strike you as a person who’s filled with empathy?
These people nearly always do these things because of their material conditions, not an underlying pathology
What a strange thing to say, pathology absolutely plays into how expressions of power manifest and again it’s not mutually exclusive with material conditions, they both affect each other in dynamic ways and the whole clip is a good example of it
Really, the media “pathologizes evil”
I said “media”, not “the media”. Have you ever watched American TV shows? “Media” is not typically limited to so-called journalists, but they also do it plenty when reporting on crime.
The system selects for the blandest most agreeable people, because they are more easily indoctrinated. She believes hideous shit because everyone around her believes hideous shit.
I just don’t agree with that sentiment, it’s too simplistic and a half-truth, and it underestimates both the calculating and malicious nature of so many other people in power, “blandest most agreeable people” talk in slogans and clichés because they just want their money and to be able to go back to brunch, they don’t wax demonically about how Holocaust education is making it harder to genocide other ethnic groups, no that’s a level of bloodless calculation and malicious intent that goes beyond a simple liberal attitude of “go along, to get along”
No it’s not, she truly believes the silly graphs disprove that there is a genocide, because that’s what everyone her thinks. She never even began to question things, she is entirely a product of the system. She sees herself as a champion of truth against Russian interference.
If things had been different that would be us.
These people are in power precisely because they go along. They want their money and their brunch, that’s all the motivation there is.
I agree with you. The system was created by psychopaths and will actively seek out other psychopaths to continue on.
The system was created by psychopaths
It was not, and this is an idealist analysis. The system is a product of specific material conditions and relations of production.
The system is still produced by people, though, and there have been some people who have been more instrumental to implementing the system than others. Sure, their actions have been guided by material forces, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t deliberately and with forethought exercise agency to bring about a desired end.
The point is that most were not psychopaths and didn’t need to be because the system was shaped by material conditions. Any analysis that rests on armchair diagnosis of “psychopathy” is not only a bad analysis, but could also easily veer into ableism (“people are bad because they have mental conditions”). Let’s leave the psychiatry to people who are qualified to do it and actually have extensive contact with the person being diagnosed.
Maybe I’m giving the original comment too much leeway, but my interpretation is that he isn’t necessarily assuming a clinical diagnosis, just observing that there are people who have an easier time discarding empathy or exhibiting other traits that we commonly associate with psychopathy and that those people tend to be the ones establishing or perpetuating the system because it’s easier for them to adapt to the system they create.
I personally waffle back and forth on this - I agree that it’s both inaccurate and damaging to the discourse to assume the capacity for cruelty (or massive or extreme cruelty) is the product of genetic abnormalities or some other traits that render the perpetrator somehow exceptional compared to the baseline human condition, but there are also observable qualitative differences between the people that fall in line and those that don’t that haven’t been fully explicated and might have underlying dispositional components. The idea that the system is purely an emergent phenomenon and that those who perpetuate it are essentially a random sample of the population also feels reductionist to me. I don’t think that we’re generally equipped with a common vocabulary to discuss the differences among the active/passive participants and the active/passive opponents, so there’s a tendency to fall back on clinical language without an explicit intent to apply a formal classification.
I love the way she complains that she looks “obscene” for trying to lay out arguments and narratives justifying the Gaza holocaust for people who’ve seen the “wall of carnage” from the genocide. I mean, yes. Yes obviously you’re going to look obscene if you try to tell someone why raw video footage of massacres, mutilated children and emaciated bodies is actually showing something that is justifiable and acceptable.
You can’t stand in front of a pile of child corpses justifying their murder and then whine when people ignore your spinmeistering and keep staring at the tiny bodies. That’s like murdering an entire family and then telling the cops, “But you’re not listening to my reasons for killing them!” They’re doing the normal thing while you are being obscene.
They’re so used to being able to get away with this shit; because the violence has been so normal for so long and they’ve been up to their elbows in it the entire time, they can no longer imagine how they must sound to normal people.
they can no longer imagine how they must sound to normal people.
Yup; They were saying babies will grow up to be terrorists and that women are the mothers of terrorists way before October 7th
That video is chilling
Definitely the most level-headedly psychotic thing I’ve seen in a long time. There is no coming back from where this person is.
Thanks
I don’t think the average dem necessarily thinks this
One thing to paint Dem politicans as the callous demons they are but it’s a bit much to extend that to democratic voters
dem voters need to learn this is the exact perspective they are voting to support, and tolerating it coming along for the ride with the other things they prefer talking about leads inevitably - inevitably - to genocide
they donated and voted for joe biden, including in primary in 2024, it’s exactly what they think.
Transcript of the clip
So, you know, I think that since October 7th, but really before then, there have been huge shifts in America on how people think about Jews and Israel. And I think that is especially true of young people. So, we are now wrestling with a new, I think, generational divide here. And I think that’s particularly true in that social media is now our source of media. And this, you know, it used to be that the the media you got in America was American media and it was pretty mainstream. You know, it generally didn’t express extreme anti-Israel views. You had to go to a pretty weird bookstore to find global media and fringe media.
But today we have social media which is a global medium, right? It is shaped, its algorithms are shaped by billions of people worldwide who don’t really love Jews. And so while in the 1990s, you know, a young person probably wasn’t going to find Al Jazeera or someone like Nick Fuentes, today those media outlets find them. They find them on their phones. It’s also this increasingly post-literate media. Less and less text, more and more videos. So you have TikTok just smashing our young people’s brains all day long with video of carnage in Gaza. And this is why so many of us can’t have a sane conversation with younger Jews because anything that we try to say to them, they are hearing it through this wall of carnage. So I want to give data and information and facts and arguments and they are just seeing in their minds carnage and I sound obscene.
And you know, I think unfortunately the very smart I think bet that we made on Holocaust education to serve as anti-semitism education in this new media environment, I think that is beginning to break down a little bit because, you know, Holocaust education is absolutely essential. But I think it may be confusing some of our young people about anti-semitism because they learn about big strong Nazis hurting weak emaciated Jews and they think, “Oh, anti-semitism is like anti-black racism, right? Powerful white people against powerless black people.” So when on TikTok all day long they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians, it’s not surprising that they think, “Oh, I know the lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel. You fight the big powerful people hurting the weak people.”
It’s even more unhinged. Basically saying Jews outside of Israel forgot to propagandise their own children and that for everyone else they didn’t market Zionism correctly.
The full quote is even worse than the truncated one, amazing
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