• jetA
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    I disagree that you can give consent without knowledge.

    You can be obligated by your existence, or your culture, or your circumstances, but it does not mean you consented.

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        3 months ago

        That is a tautology, and also cyclic and thus doesn’t address the point that you can not unconsciously give consent.

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          3 months ago

          The end effect of obligations, culture, and circumstances are all just consent - even without your direct permission. If the end result is not different, what is the difference then?

          Again, consent by any other name.

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            3 months ago

            This discussion is going nowhere without a definition to shape it.

            https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/consent

            To express willingness, to give permission.

            It is impossible to give permission or express willingness without knowledge.

            I reject your use of consent in your examples… it would be better expressed as situational realities or obligations of existence rather then mindful permission.

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              3 months ago

              Reject all you want. It does nothing to change the outcome.

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                Consent comes before the outcome. If the outcome happens without consent, the outcome happens without consent. The word consent has a meaning and it isn’t “something that happened”

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                You’re ignoring what they’re saying. They know that. They simply disagree with your definition of consent because, well, its not the definition of consent.