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  • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
    331·
    3 months ago

    Hicks and Newt had to die in the beginning of Alien 3 in order for the film to thematically even be an Alien film.

    At their heart, the films are about Ripley being alone, more in common with the titular alien than with her termporary allies. She’s an outsider in her crew. She’s a civilian among marines. She’s a woman among convicts. She’s lost her child, she’s lost 57 years of her life. The Alien is her only real touchstone now, and in a way that is very expressly shown in the films, that becomes a kind of “relationship” in itself. She’s closer to the alien than she is to the people who surround her.

    If Hicks and Newt survived and were part of Alien 3, it takes that away and makes it an ensemble cast, which thematically doesn’t fit, and (I think) it’s one of the reasons that a lot of the new Alien films just don’t feel like Alien films; they’re missing that key thematic ingredient. Ripley is a tragic character, doomed to battle alone against the only thing she has left in her life.

    • mPony@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      3 months ago

      I defend this position. Still, they should have given those characters better deaths.

      • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
        13·
        3 months ago

        they should have given those characters better deaths

        That I absolutely agree with. They did 'em dirty with how they took them out.

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
      10·
      3 months ago

      Aliens also didn’t thematically fit with the first Alien. As the title indicates, there are many aliens not an alien that was alone. Burke was also a civilian, so Ripley was not the lone civilian. And at the end of the movie she was not alone unlike in the first one. Well I guess Jonesy made it out ok, so she wasn’t alone at the end of the first one either.

      Aliens was not thematically consistent with the first one and that’s what made it great. There really isn’t a mystery about the Alien and how dangerous it is after the first one so trying to recreate it wouldn’t work. So instead of working class people being forced into a situation they didn’t understand and weren’t prepared for, we see a group of well armed soldiers going into a situation they were briefed on. This time the humans are going to kick ass! Except no, they get their asses to them. And themes about motherhood can be added (both for Ripley and the Aliens).

      Alien 3 wasn’t entirely thematically consistent either. I do remember it exploring some themes about religion (it’s been a long time since I watched it tho) which is something the previous movies didn’t go into. Also Ripley dies at the end which inconsistent with the theme of survival.

      To me story is more important than themes anyway. If Ripley has to be alone at the beginning of every movie it makes the story of her character really boring.