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      You are correct, but idiots still think in team sports terms WAY too much, even here on Lemmy. If one side bad, other side good! If you say anything like “both sides bad”, then you’re definitely a shill, and definitely not someone aware of how conservative US Democrats actually are!

      There’s definitely no room to properly discuss how liberals are enemies of leftists, and always have been. Definitely no room to discuss how having to ally with liberals shouldn’t give them a free pass for all the BS. Definitely no room to discuss how the lesser of two evils is still evil!

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    Jean-Paul Sartre said it best I think.

    “Never believe that anti-Semites [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

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    Did it “age like milk” when they were just lying the whole time?

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      “Entitlement Reform” has been a watchword in both parties going back to the Reagan Administration.

      Democrats will tell you they’ve got an innovative exciting new solution to slow the rate at which health care costs rise, then shift a bunch of public sector money over to private sector subsidies.

      Republicans will tell you they’re cutting fat out of the system, then transform a bunch of public sector spending into private sector tax breaks.

      Healthcare gets more expensive and less accessible. Each team blames the other one. A few socialists in some of the bluer states suggest we try a public Medicare-for-All model, then get primaried out of office in the next cycle by a pack of lobbyists in blue waist coats.

      “Ah, but the pawl and the gear are clearly two different components doing separate things!” I cry, to any sucker who will listen.

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        It doesn’t always feel that clean cut to me. I’m not arguing that you are wrong. You are absolutely correct! You are describing a huge problem.

        But our stupid voting system is another problem that serves to keep that first one in place. Small uprisings against the two party system might be noticed but they will be filtered out. To change the system it seems there has to be widespread and persistent discontent and rebellion well beyond what we’re already seeing. We’re definitely moving in that direction though, for better or worse.

        That stupid voting system means that if you are going to support a third party with good ideas, you must necessarily withdraw your support from whichever of the pawl and gear you prefer to the other. Enter ranked choice, star, etc.

        So in an election like 2024 when it comes time to cast the actual vote, I’m left thinking: So what if I take my finger off the pawl there, and what we thought was a gear starts spinning like a buzz saw and cuts my fucking leg off?

        I guess going loopy from blood loss while I point my femoral artery at people like a garden hose and find ultimate rest knowing I was right about the system sure beats dying from nuclear winter.

        So that’s what so many can’t ignore when it comes time to choose. Yeah if we elected Harris we’d be living in a country of capitalism and inequality, with Israel doing horrors under our wing. It wouldn’t be a good outcome.

        But compare it with what we got. I’m just some employed straight white father living in suburban nowheresville USA, but I would very much rather my government didn’t have a gestapo, or bomb Iran, or sell access & secrets, or leave NATO, or support fossil fuels, or work against green energy, or round up people who have been living a peaceful productive life and destroy those lives by the thousands because they are ethnically undersirable to the base.

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        Don’t work, Daddy musk is here to make a 3rd party which will toxify the potential of any legitimate 3rd party, and we will continue on with the same system.

        If their plan for not having elections at all doesn’t come to fruition

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          I, for one, am excited to see him Billionaire Blowout himself on a scale not seen since Bloomberg hemorrhaged $1B during the 2020 Primaries to come in fourth place.

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          Oh no, I can absolutely see him starting a DOGE Party. He has enough money to entirely bankroll it himself. I wish he wasn’t such a dipshit man child; he’s in a position to do so much good, yet just makes everything he touches worse.

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          which will toxify the potential of any legitimate 3rd party

          Third parties are only not toxic when they are big enough to be a main party and at that time they are too full of corruption to be any good.

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        Voters chose the option furthest right so the government shifted right. This happens every time the left most option isn’t chosen.

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          Voters chose the option furthest right

          Politicians picked their voters in order to guarantee this outcome. Gerrymandering, mass disenfranchisement along social and ethnic lines, vote caging, intimidation, misinformation, straight up sabotage of voting venues… It happens all the time in liberal democracies, particularly in poorer, more homogeneous, and more rural neighborhoods.

          As soon as the politicians fuck up on the math and a socialist breaks through (as with AOC beating Crowley back in ‘18 or Mamdani trouncing Cuomo last week), you get to see the “moderates” and their conservative cats’ paws rush in to subvert the popular will.

          This happens every time the left most option isn’t chosen.

          The joke is how quickly a government will move to the right when the left-most option is chosen.

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      She voted for the bill in the House, then came out against it stating that she didn’t know the bill limited AI regulation.

      The bill then went to the Senate where the provisions limiting AI regulation were removed, and then passed.

      The House will once again vote on the bill, which now does not restrict AI regulation.

      She hasn’t made any statement but presumably she now supports the bill, given her only complaint about it has been removed.

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        she didn’t know the bill limited AI regulation

        Why vote for a bill that you haven’t read? If I was a rep and didn’t have time to reasonably understand a bill, I’d knee-jerk vote no.

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        i have a feeling she was going to support the bill anyways, she wanted some way to not take the blame for supporting the bbb as a whole.

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          I agree that is the most likely, same as the Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska). Although she didn’t even have the decency (?) to say which part she didn’t like, she just said it wasn’t ready, but still voted for it.

          To quote her directly,

          “And I’ve been here quite a while, and you all know I’ve got a few battle scars underneath me. But I think I held my head up and made sure that the people of Alaska are not forgotten in this.”

          So in true Republican fashion she gets hers, so fuck everyone else. Of course the small victories in no way offset the amount of damage done by the bill at large. But now she can campaign that she “Fought for Alaska” while screwing over everyone, including Alaskans.

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        Like the rest of them, she voted for it, then had her staffers read it and they found something she didn’t like, so she complained.

        This fucking missing link should not be in congress.

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    Weird that he knew all this would happen but did nothing to mitigate it.

    Almost like the Democrats let the Republicans do their dirty work for them.

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      democrats don’t help the middle class

      “Why won’t the Dems do something?! Shame on them!”

      Republicans does something that actively hurts the middle class

      “Why won’t the Dems do something?! Shame on them!”

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        If you don’t expect Republicans to be shit by now you’re a fool.

        I expect Democrats to be sensible and perform meaningful opposition to the corruption of the Republican party, but they can’t or won’t.

        I want to be able to support a party that opposes wealth inequality and the working class, but there isn’t one right now.

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      Jesus Christ give it a fucking rest. Democrats do not ask Republicans do be horrific evil monsters and that is a goddamned stupid fucking idea

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        It really comes down to if you blame the scorpion or the frog?

        Both are responsible for the outcome imo.

        It’s in Republicans nature to be destructive and selfish. There’s supposed to be another party that meaningfully opposes that.

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          They do meaningfully oppose that. If you realize that the worst of the party and Bernie Sanders and AOC aren’t the same fucking people. Aka if you realize reality exists

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            One of those two people are democrats, and the democratic party actively fights progressives.

            Just look at how much more they fought that NYC mayor canidate who beat out the establishment favorite in the primary.

            The DNC continues to show it is an establishment party, people will continue to become disillusioned with them as long as they keep failing to make meaningful tangible change.

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              Both of those candidates are Democrats for all intents and purposes. Vermont is an incredibly unique situation given that an independent has virtually no chance on any level anywhere else.

              If you can never miss an opportunity to generalize about the only group doing any damn thing good ever, you’re either doing it on purpose for a pro-republican reason, or you’re ignorantly shooting yourself in the foot. You’re actively discouraging votes.

              Which is it? Or do you just want to take this as another opportunity for an idiotic conspiracy theory about how AOC is actually fucking Alex Jones and is working to exterminate the Jews or some shit?

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                You can’t accept that independent does not mean democrat.

                Process reality

                Internalize reality

                Until there are canidates who support the working class that are allowed to make meaningful change then people will continue to lose faith in the political process.

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                  So Bernie was running as an independent for president then? Whoopsie, he wasn’t, conspiracy person