Although personally in favor of Palestinian independence and critical of war crimes committed by Israel in its siege of Gaza, I attempted to explain in a back-and-forth discussion with a user (only afterwards learning was one of the community’s two moderators) why protest voting in the 2024 election to “punish” the democrats in favor of the republicans harmed the ultimate interest of reigning in Israeli violence in Palestine.
To further emphasize the damage caused by such a protest vote, I argued that not only is Palestine worse off with Trump elected instead of Harris, but as are a myriad of other social issues. The other user disagreed, arguing that Trump’s return to office facilitated the ceasefire, rather than my argument that Netanyahu deliberately delayed it to help Trump get elected.
After my fourth reply post in a reply chain that stemmed from my initial reply to the moderator’s comment, I was banned from !palestine@lemm.ee. Having at no point advocated in favor of the violence perpetuated by Israel in Gaza, I think the ban was unjustified, and demonstrates a bad precedent for maintaining echo chambers of moderator opinions, rather than communities that foster discussion.
“Dems are bad” is not a good counterargument to “republicans are worse.” Choose the lesser of two evils.
or stick them both in prison for their crimes against humanity and find a better option. not that difficult, dumbass.
The lesser evil is which ever will hasten the collapse of the US Empire, because it’s clear the mass exportation of genocide is bipartisan policy.
It’s still insane to hear people say that. “Chose the lesser of two evils”.
You do understand how fucking insane it is that you’re saying that, right?
Do you think we like it???
Judging from the gloating as Palestinians die, despite the fact it was 20 million democrats who stayed home because they’re white enough Trump won’t bother them, yes. I do believe you like it. Democrats refuse to do anything to prevent fascism when they have power, and do nothing but complain about it when they don’t.
I’ll believe you don’t like it when you lot stop acting so smug and morally superior while you watch Trump kill brown people slightly faster than Harris would. Because at the end of the day, you’re still happy they’re dying, because it makes you “right”.
Nobody is fucking gloating. Fuck you.
At least own up to it, dipshit.
I spent months on this website breathlessly pleading with morons like you, spelling this shit out in every possible way that I could.
It is not gloating, it is frustration. And clearly, you’ve learned nothing.
Morons like me? I fucking voted for Harris because I had no fucking choice. It’s “cis, white, male” like you who sat on your fucking asses at home because you know Trump isn’t coming for you anyway. Twenty million of you shitheads stayed home, and now that democracy is going out the windows, you have the audacity to come on here and strut around like you’re the smartest fucking dildo in the room.
Fuck you, you’re all racist pieces of shit. I should have known democrats would lose anyway, and still blame it on everyone but themselves. You lack the intellectual capability to even entertain the thought that your shit doesn’t stink. And in four years, when Trump runs for a third time, I have no doubt you’ll run another warhawk corporate liberal shitstain that’ll lose to him again. Because out of three elections against Trump, you’ve lost two, and you won’t even acknowledge that it was your fault in the first place.
So, you voted for the lesser evil? Got it.
Do you think not choosing either evil somehow prevents both? I would fucking love if it worked like that, but it doesn’t. There are only two possible outcomes. You either receive the greater evil or the lesser evil.
I want as little evil as possible, so I choose the lesser evil. If you don’t choose the lesser evil, you’re saying you don’t care how much evil there is in the world, and you allow the greater evil. Why would you choose to allow the greater evil?
That’s some real neoliberal bullshit. You lot have absolutely lost it, you know that? You’re straight up admitting your candidate is evil, and moralizing it like you’re the good guys. Yeah, you got me, Harris would have killed brown people a little slower. Congrats, that’s the fucking bar for politicians you’ve set. You’re never going to get anyone who isn’t an absolute monster, and you’re apparently perfectly fine with that, because it lets you be a smug little shit on social media.
I don’t have any respect for you as a human being, if that’s your attitude. Evil is evil, and your support of that evil makes you just as evil as the ones dropping the bombs. Those dead Palestinians? Their blood is on your hands, for refusing to demand the “greatest nation on earth” be a little bit better than nazi Germany.
I find it funny you said that.
I also find this funny. There was a choice between “a little bit better than nazi Germany” and “nazi Germany.” You let “nazi Germany” win, then condemned everyone who supported “a little bit better than nazi Germany.”
You obviously can’t read, dumbass. I said you wouldn’t demand your candidate be a little better than nazi Germany. You gave us the choice between nazi Germany, and someone who thought nazi Germany didn’t go far enough. Naturally, I did the only thing I could, and voted for Harris, since she wanted to kill brown people a little slower and I thought maybe we could protest hard enough she would stop being a fucking piece of shit liberal and actually stand up to Israel.
Meanwhile, you sat at home and voted for nobody, because democrats don’t give a shit about people who aren’t white. Now be a good little nazi and take that neoliberal bullshit back to lemmy.world.
No you didn’t. You said you wanted the “greatest nation on earth” to be better than nazi Germany, not the political party. Why am I the only one who’s read your comments?
Please stop making things up about me. I’m British. It’s impossible for me to have voted, and impossible for you to have known if I voted or not.
But if I could, I would have done what you did, which is what I said to do from the very start, and voted for the lesser evil. Why the fuck are you trying to act superior for doing the same thing you’re condemning?
Honestly? Given how vocal you are against Trump’s opponents, how bad-faith your arguments are, how often you insult people (with ablist language, too), and how you seem to treat the word “liberal” like a bad thing, you sound more like a Nazi than anyone else. And I block Nazis, soooooo…
Oh no, another liberal adherent to the horseshoe philosophy is gonna block me, oh no, how terrible. Better do it quick, it’s almost time for brunch, you milquetoast, wine-drinking, nazi enabler.
They literally support the same things. Not subscribing to neoliberalism is definitely better. Did Biden/Harris do anything to stop the genocide? Did they do anything to help the average person? No. You’re still choosing evil.
Disengaging doesn’t stop evil, it allows it. You’re not preventing evil by choosing nothing, you’re just passively allowing whichever one wins. It’s the same as supporting both.
It’s literally a trolly problem. You can do something and cause a lesser evil, or do nothing and allow a greater evil. Choosing to do nothing is still choosing evil.
leave it to a democrat to look at a trolley problem and think the solution is killing people instead of taking them off the tracks. fucking liberals and murder, what is it about the two?
America will never change for the better if you think voting against both does not send a message. Who said disengaging? There are other options and clearly stating why you’re abstaining is engaging.
Y’all don’t understand the concept of opposition…
Vote for either side is a vote of confidence in the regime. They never have to make any changes since they win everytime.
One of the two parties was promoting fascism. If you support neither you were enabling fascism. Fascist enablers do not have a moral high ground.
Democrats very much enable fascism. They aren’t push back or vote against it. When in office they hardly make it so republicans can’t promote it. Democrats would rather play by the rules than actually help America. One who thinks either parties will ever help America hardly have the high ground. It is clear the democrats either do nothing, enable, or do the same actions. Same neoliberal imperialist coin.
Interesting that you changed a word there. Weird. Wonder why.
Democrats can enable fascism but the attitude of the person I replied to supports fascism 100% of the time even when they theoretically oppose fascism.
If you are letting the fascist party win you do not have moral high ground and never can have a claim on morality. This is why as a gay man I often don’t see dedicated cis-het leftists as actual allies as far too often they will sacrifice my safety for their sense of moral superiority.
Most Americans can’t even mentally operate outside of this box.
Until, they can, third party vote is just a protest vote to document that you don’t support the whores owners plants in the elected offices.
Maybe for Palestine at this point in time a Harris administration could potentially have been less harmful. But do you see what has happened to America and the world by people choosing the lesser evil over and over? The entire narrative has shifted so much to the right, most people consider it normal when the “lesser evil” is openly pro fracking, pro guns, pro Israel, pro big corpo etc etc just to name a few. In that context I think it’s weird to blame third party voters in this election. And don’t forget that for American voters the situation in the middle east is just one of the issues they need to vote on and it’s probably not their first priority.
No, deny these parasites engagement and legitimacy
This is how you get the greater of two evils.
here we go with the “lesser of two evils” bullshit again. just liberals rationalizing being racist murderers so they can sleep at night.
Im potentially going to a camp because of people who think like you!
Thanks for your moral victory though. It is super important that you be right regardless of the consequences to others because society is all about you!
The problem is that no republican wound be swayed by your argument, because they have wet dreams about committing these atrocities themselves. They are living vicariously through Israel. The only thing they like less than a Jew is an Arab. Now that trump is in a position of power, it’s Palestinians who will pay for your inability to think rationally.
And there it is, the fascist goes mask off.
You think a fascist is someone who doesn’t support neoliberalism? Lol
No, you’re a fascist enabler because your position is what permits fascism to spread but again great that you can tell yourself you made the moral choice when Im being placed in a camp.
They’re both fascists.
I’d say a fascist is someone who tries to promote fascism and doubles down when they realise the party they supported is fascist.
Who is promoting fascism here?
Literally anyone who is defending Trump or Musk
I’m not intending to promote them. I don’t see who is.
Yes but if you voted trump and defend that decision even now, then you are defending the decision to vote for a fascist. If you are saying that allowing them to rise to power is a valid choice then you are saying give fascism a chance.
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