- cross-posted to:
- conservative@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- conservative@lemmy.world
You must log in or register to comment.
Biden is not responsible for what Trump is doing. He is responsible for letting it happen. He failed to fight maga during the 4 years he had all the powers to do it.
To be accurate, it is not a fault, it is a failure. His responsibility is on this failure, not anything else.
the powers trump is using now is not actual presidential powers and I would not see it used by their guys or ours. congress is the one who could have stopped this. mainly back when trump was in office and going through with the impeachment.
“n’y thing”? What the fuck?
The Democrats are a cesspool themselves, but at least they don’t flaunt screwing you over.
Battered spouses rarely leave their spouse.
Guys, this comic is a jab at conservatives, and is poking fun at how they’re going to respond to getting screwed by Trump. The comic is positing that conservatives will just blame Democrats (usually their leader specifically), as they’ve done since time immemorial. These exact types of comics have been around since Reagan, they’re all the same comic. The last big one was the “thanks Obama” meme, where Obama is blamed for every stupid little thing.
This isn’t a comic about leftists blaming Biden. It’s about the bull headedness and obtuse nature of conservatives.
This comic would have been perfect if the guy’s hat just had MAGA on it, easier to get the message across
The message is 100% clear to Americans already.
Willing to bet it’s a registered trademark
Guys, this comic is a jab at conservatives
Centrists think that conservatives and leftists are the same people.
Now we need a version with the guy wearing a “don’t vote” cap and saying “this is all the Dems fault”.
The Democrats not once but twice lost to him. Who do you suggest we blame if not the candidates that lost?
I blame Republican voter suppression and supporting a candidate that tried and failed at insurrection.
The voters, genuinely. Because they misunderstood what the vote meant. It wasn’t about electing a democrating candidate, it was about keeping Trump out of office*. Note that this is not limited to non-voters, but includes every american.
*: This is not what a vote for the president is meant to be about. But hey, desperate times, desperate measures, that kinda stuff.
Because they misunderstood what the vote meant.
Whose job is it to inform voters if not the candidates themselves?
It wasn’t about electing a democrating candidate, it was about keeping Trump out of office*.
This mentality is exactly what allowed Democrats to move so far to the right and lose their base. This time around the Democratic candidates were literally engaging in genocide, attacking immigrants, and attacking the working class while trying to claim that they were the “good guys.” You can only do that when your sole appeal is “well at least we’re not Republicans” rather than having anything meaningful to point to to actually demonstrate that you deserve to win. Diet Republicanism isn’t appealing to anyone and these candidates completely and voluntarily chose to run on that platform even going as far as wasting weeks of campaigning in order to court Dick Cheney’s approval. It was another colossal fuck up by the DNC that once again lead to Donald Trump winning the presidency.
The voters, genuinely. Because they misunderstood what the vote meant.
If the dems required we all support a literal far right fascist genocide, or else let trump take office, then the dems are fascists. The fascist dems can go fuck themselves right along with the fascist republicans. I dont vote in support of genocide of innocents, and neither should any of you. regardless of the cost..
Hope you liked having a country and a future in it as much as I did. Be a pity if you didn’t care about what you lost us with your “protest vote.”
So it’s cool to support fascism just as long as you’re in the in-group at the time? There was zero need for Dems to support fascism but apparently Biden and Harris thought it was more important to protect it than defeat Donald Trump.
deleted by creator
That’s the difference between the commenter above you and you. You’re happy to live in a country where your living conditions and your future are assured, even if it genocides people elsewhere. I’d say what I think about your stance if it didn’t violate the civility rules.
Lol goodbye Palestine any fucking way, friend. Those of us with a functioning brain knew that was obvious with Trump. Oh, but now they’ll get ethnically cleansed for a golf course co-owned by Trump and Israel! Hope your sanctimony warms the empty space in your head.
That’s a lot of words for saying you don’t care about the deaths of Arabs as long as you reap the benefits in the imperial core.
And so you voted by splitting your vote based on your local outcome. Which still, factually makes you have voted for either of the two.
One of which also wants your cost of living to go up (and is doing that now), social security to go down (and is doing that right now), reduce oversight of large corporations, massively expand corruption and corporate control of the government, reduce public safety and limit personal liberties.
If you got a choice between +9-1 and -11 (bonus for the Reps accelerating the genocide instead of abiding it) , and that’s your two options, you don’t pick the latter. And not voting is the same as voting for the local majority, so it matters fuck all what your intent was.
You, also, misunderstood what the vote was about, quite clearly.
Who do you suggest we blame
an absolute idiotic racist, sexist and misogynistic citizenry who would rather vote in a felon?
“NO kamala just didnt excite me enough!”
As someone from a place with compulsory voting and would vote regardless. You, I would vote any prick that stayed home and didn’t vote. Especially when rates are less than half the voting population.
So I’d say that’s heavily weighted to a large portion of the population that just has zero say (statically) over the election. The electoral college makes our elections statistically pointless for 43/50 states. So any “stay as home” people or “blue states shifting red” are just a reflection of how little people have faith in the democratic party. But not actually a reflection of what lost the election.
For example, I live in Washington, there is just no statistical way my state goes for Trump. So I voted for the PSL candidate for president and went Democrat down the ballot the rest of the way.
As far as the presidential vote goes I am essentially the same as a non voter. But that did NOT matter at all. My state went blue. And my PSL vote was influenced by that. If I was in Georgia (my previous home state) I’d have voted for Harris.
I feel like the focus on the “protest vote” is trivial. The states that mattered lost the non political person to the couch because the Democrats couldn’t message to them enough to get them to care to drive to the polls.
At the end of the day. The Dems lost because they didn’t give any progressive minded people a reason to get off the couch on election day. They instead spent their whole campaign trying to “turn” voters they could never win on issues like “tough on immigrant” policies.
The non-voters obviously. How is that so difficult for you to understand?
The protest non-voters voted for Trump.
Can you name one thing you think the Democrats did wrong? I mean people have the right to vote or not vote for whoever they want. That’s kind of the point of a democracy. Isn’t it a failure of the party and/or candidate if they didn’t convince people to vote for them? You can point all day to voters but at the end of the day the party knew all this stuff and still didn’t change their messaging to attract turnout.
Its easier for them to blame voters than accept the reality that the whole system is corrupted by money and neo liberal western democracy is broken as is and without economic democracy (which is what democrats spent their efforts thwarting the last 3 election cycles) what it actually is, is a class dictatorship. Democrats sabotaged sanders not once hut twice because they had nothing to lose shooting themselves in the foot and betraying the working class, they preferred a far right fascist since fascism does not threaten capital. So they did whatever possible to prevent an administration thet wojld resemble FDR in any way and give their billionaire donors the win they paid for.
Now neo liberal right leaning centrists cosplaying as leftists just sit there and toe the party line by blaming people who will not support defense contractor astro turfed corrections industry corporatists of wall street due to blatant ideological failures and contradictions. Voting for a party to ensure that 10% fewer Palestinians will die by American bombs while we ignore the wage stagnation to the point of wage slavery and unaffordable housing crisis but considernit a win because we vote for meaningless virtue signaling sell outs is oure delusion.
Blaming voters instead of those in power for the systems failures is the same logic of those who blame any Palestinian organization instead of the fascist regime armed to the teeth with billions of dollars in high tech ordinance and surveillance equipment who have been allowed to ignore international law and have a secret illegal nuclear program since the 1970’s. Its dellusional. We have a gross failure of policy and ideology in the democratic party and yall need to wake the fuck up and realize this instead of allowing your comfortable complacency to further empower the leaches controling things behind the scenes and falling victim to their clever PR manipulations.
Last November, it wasn’t voting for status quo on either party, it was status quo vs fascism.
It was known that it was fascism vs status quo and there is no amount of justification that will make it any different.
People that protest voted or stayed at home directly helped fascism take power.
If you think that milquetoast status quo with Dems was bad, you’ll shit on the floor the next few years as your country accelerates into fascism. Trump hasn’t even been in power for 6 months and look at all the damage done.
We can blame both voters and the system, but in the face of fascism, it wasn’t time to make a statement.
I hope that the world rearrange itself and leave the US to rot because what is happening right now is fucked up and no amount of mental gymnastics and justifications will make a difference.
The American people chose fascism, plain and simple.
You’re incredibly naive if you think fascism just took hold in 2024 and not decades ago. The status quo was fascism too.
Non-voters and Trump voters chose to end America, end Palestine, and end Ukraine. You chose it. You can namby pamby about “the system” whatever, but take ownership of the fact that the system did you so wrong, you ended it and obliterated two others I’ll bet dollars to donuts you claimed to support in voting (or not) as you did. Take responsibility. The Democrats didn’t make you do it; you did it.
Honestly for me, I would’ve and did pick America lasting, flawed as it was, and Ukraine and Palestine having a chance. Turns out a country that’s run like a company isn’t the worst thing in the world if it isn’t run purposefully into the ground. Just own your choices and be whatever form of happy the consequences make you.
Congratulations on voting for Trump! See my idea for a comic strip above.
The democrats sabotaged the popular candidate not ONCE but TWICE because they were beholden to billionaires and their party leadership clearly was more supportive to the idea of a far right fascist than allowing their party to move even a millimeter to the left. You neo lib boot lickers have your heads so far up the asses of war mongering wall street billionaires you cant even see that the obviously visible puppet strings to both parties lead to the same hands. Its sad, you won’t even stop blaming voters and collaborate to do something about this mess with actual leftists ready to work for change, You are just so delusional you keep sitting there with your thumb up your ass blaming working class people for not supporting a party that has shit on working class people and refused to do anything meaningful anytime they have held power since the fucking 80’s. What a joke.
I voted for biden in the primary. I was against him bowing out but till supported it when it was done. I did not vote for him in the first primary but he did a better job in his first term than any other president of my life. Not sure how they sabotaged. voted bernie way back when clinton won but not in 2020. Yang was who I did then.
trump literally is a ‘billionaire’. wtf are you even talking about. Hes a felon. wtf are you even talking about. hes a felon. wtf are you even talking about! he shits on a golden toilet for crying out loud. he bragged about his tower being tallest after 9/11 for crying out loud. Hes literally a wall street billionaire who owned fucking casinos (and bankrupted them)
its morons like you that fucked us, i’d say get your thumb out of your ass but really its your own dick. you ‘both shides are the shame’ stupid assholes fucked us.
The projection is strong with this one.
The delusion is even stronger with you. Everything ive said is 100% true not my fault you’re so brainwashed you cant see the forest from the trees. Neoliberal democracy fights any type of economic democracy and is in a fact a class dictatorship as a result. Wake up
When someone robs your house, you blame the robbers. When the police refuse to do anything about it and you get robbed again by the same person 4 years later, you blame the police.
I blame the robbers for robbing my house and the police for not doing their jobs. I don’t blame the police for robbing my house.
Yeah that’s the point
That’s not how you phrased it, though.
If that was the point, then simply adding “as well” or “too” at the end makes that clear. Without it, it frames it as if the blame is being shifted instead.
When someone robs your house, you blame the robbers. When the police refuse to do anything about it and you get robbed again by the same person 4 years later, you blame the police, too.
I think most people reading it understood that was their point though.
Maybe. Maybe not. Because it’s not explicit, then you’re expecting people to fill in the blank. I’d say there’s more of an argument that most people did not make that assumption.
Conservatives are happy with what Trump’s doing.
They are, until it happens to effect them directly.
“He was supposed to get rid of all the slackers and cut off people abusing the system, not fire my entire department!”
“He was supposed to put in tariffs to make China pay more, not to make the price of our goods go up!”
Classic leopards eating peoples faces party behaviour.
You’re expecting more disastrous consequences than they are. Time will tell, but I think they’ll find the tariff costs worth it for added manufacturing investment.
A lot of them aren’t. And when more of them are negatively affected then they won’t be either
But they will still vote Republican because nothing the Republicans have done over the last 45 years to ruin their lives has swayed them yet.
I mean that’s true with any large group, yeah? Doesn’t change the fact that he’s doing what they voted for him to do.
Not true. He said he would reduce corruption and lower food prices. Many MAGA voters somehow believed this.
They believe he’ll still do it. Did you think he was supposed to just pray for it or send the military to Kraft?
He’s firing people daily. If he ramps oil production he’ll be fulfilling promises to these people. The media will keep reporting on it like firing people is bad and the conservatives will read it and smile.
I don’t think you guys understand how they think at all. You’ve classed them as non human and think any compassion is weakness. Don’t ruin yourself to hate on maga fucks.
A lot of them are beyond help. Brains too melted. But there are some people who might not have turned out to vote, due to apathy, or getting hung up on specific issues they were unhappy with Biden about, who are now realizing their mistake. I wish these people had been paying attention, and voted more proactively rather than reactively. Everything he’s doing now was warned about.
But there are some people who might not have turned out to vote, due to apathy, or getting hung up on specific issues they were unhappy with Biden about, who are now realizing their mistake.
And if democrats had pursued them with a tenth of the fervor with which they pursued republicans who were never going to vote for them, we wouldn’t have trump now.
Bush v Gore was my first election I was eligible to vote. Aligning with a fucking Cheney might at well have been performing satanic rituals on stage. Let’s find the biggest fucking ghouls imaginable. That’ll help
It’s not entirely wrong, Trump would probably not be caving his face in if Biden at respected his limitations.
Nice, but the orange asshole is not fat enough.
Man, how much of a wuss would you have to be to get beat up by Donald Trump?
Not a wuss just “conservative”…
Just “conservative” enough for this…
looks like it happened
He must be a pretty big wuss.
That’s possibly the nicest thing you could call him.
US politics in a nutshell: Good Cop, Bad Cop (The Simpsons).
Daddy would never hurt us!
Then later that night, in fact nearly every night…
“this is not happening this is not happening thisisnothappening MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB LITTLELAMB LITTLELAMB…!”
There is simply no comedic value in this comic strip.
its an art form, its call a comic strip but it dont need to be humorous. think about the unexpected masterpiece loss
There’s a lot of “trust the process “ going on from that side atm
Strawman. Leftists don’t claim Biden single-handedly ushered in fascism. Leftists underline how little Biden did to ensure a winning campaign, as well as how little he did to defend against Trump.
Biden enabled Trump by not stacking courts, not prosecuting trump hard enough, or choosing policy positions based on what would beat trump.
I don’t think the victim here is a leftist. Trucker hat, rolled up sleeves; he’s a working class conservative who’s getting hammered by Trumps policies. He is still blaming Biden against all evidence.
This isn’t about leftists. The guy is dressed like a farmer, who majority voted for Trump. Trump turned around and immediately cut subsidies that small business farmers rely on, so many are now struggling. The comic is saying that they will still blame Biden despite being screwed by Trump. This could also be viewed as shorthand for any trump voter.
In reality, we’ve seen many farmers now communicate that they regret voting for trump. Alittle too little too late, it seems. They aren’t as dumb as the comic artist paints them in that sense, just unempathetic.
Honestly, I’d kind of like to read some serious analysis on Trump on agricultural policy. I’ve pointed out that farmers are politically-important in red states, but many of Trump’s policies look pretty bad for farmers to me.
-
Tariffs don’t benefit them – the US is globally competitive agriculturally. The people who want tariffs are in labor-intensive manufacturing. Tariffs just bring up the prices farmers pay, and counter-tariffs hurt them by keeping them from competing in foreign markets. Trump did have some relief funds sent farmers impacted by Chinese tariffs in his first term to mitigate the hit they took, but I’m pretty sure that they’d rather not have their business mucked up.
-
Trump may not actually do as much on illegal immigration as he tries to promote in his image, but he sure doesn’t help, and US agriculture depends heavily on labor from illegal immigrants.
-
Trump going after SNAP, subsidized food for the poor, doesn’t help. My understanding was that for a long time, farmers benefited primarily from federal crop insurance subsidies, but that due to a decline in influence, they basically teamed up with advocates for the poor to get food stamp subsidies in place, and that’s now the primary form of federal farm subsidy.
When I look at the NFU — the big farming industry association — website, it doesn’t sound very happy with Trump:
https://nfu.org/2025/03/04/american-farmers-and-ranchers-bear-the-brunt-of-tariffs/
WASHINGTON – National Farmers Union President Rob Larew commented today on the President’s decision to implement tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China.
“The tariffs announced today, along with retaliatory measures from China and Canada, will have serious consequences for American agriculture. Our farmers are the backbone of this country, and they need strong, fair trade policies that ensure they can compete on a level playing field—not be caught in the middle of international disputes.
“We are already facing significant economic uncertainty, and these actions only add to the strain. Trade policies must come with real, tangible protections for the farmers directly affected. We’ve heard there’s a strategy in place—now we need to see it. Promises alone won’t pay the bills or keep farms afloat.
“Without a clear plan, family farmers will once again be left to bear the burden of decisions beyond their control, and eventually, so will consumers. We urge the administration to work with our trading partners to prevent further harm to rural communities.”
In the US political system, strongly-red or strongly-blue areas aren’t as politically important, so you don’t really need to worry about pissing them off – they’re gonna tend to vote for or against you regardless. That’s especially true for the President, and true for a lesser degree for legislators.
But if I’m a legislator for an area, I do care about the industries in my area, and seeing the party that mostly represents rural areas producing a lot of what looks like disadvantageous-to-farmers policy going through kind of surprises me.
This is one of the big things that I don’t really feel like I have a handle on regarding Trump administration policy.
EDIT: And I also see websites commenting on Trump policy not being good for farmers, so it’s not just me making some kind of huge error in assessing this.
EDIT2: One issue for some farmers has been the EPA taking issue with farm runoff – fertilizer causing algae blooms, like in the Great Lakes. If Trump weakens regulation on that, that might be popular with farmers. Farm runoff is a very big political issue in the Netherlands, and I know that that caused enormous political waves in the past few years.
kagis
Ah. Okay, apparently yes:
https://apnews.com/article/2386f9f4af34d81ae32629dead464af3
Trump rollback could leave waterways vulnerable to pollution
Since his first weeks in office, President Donald Trump has targeted environmental and public health regulations that he says imposed unnecessary burdens on business. Speaking to farmers in Texas on Sunday, Trump repeated his frequent charge that an Obama-era attempt in 2015 to more clearly define what water bodies qualify for federal pollution protection was “one of the most ridiculous regulations of all.“”
Thursday’s changes to the clean water rule have long been sought by builders, oil and gas developers, farmers and others.
So I guess that might be one selling point he has for farmers.
-
If incompetency was prosecutable, every single ranking member of Biden’s DOJ would be eligible for indictment.
From Tulsi Gabbard to Devin Nunes to Jared Kushner to Steven Miller, then number of Trump '16 era crooks who didn’t get prosecuted when Biden had the chance could fill an entire Presidential cabinet.
Biden enabled Trump by not stacking courts, not prosecuting trump hard enough, or choosing policy positions based on what would beat trump.
I’m reminded of those 2-pt font “This is what Biden has done, you stupid leftists!” infographics that included dozens of citations of investigations and probes and FBI raids and committees and executive orders and threats to indict which amounted to… nothing! Biden’s DOJ couldn’t even be bothered to pursue a full prosecution. He left that to Alvin Bragg and a New York County Court.
If Dems wanted a prosecutor who was tough on crime at the top of the ticket, maybe they should have coronated him instead of Harris.
Yet people still decided who to vote for & who not to vote against. People still hold responsibility for their vote or failure to vote: they knew who Trump was. They’d seen his shit before.
Also, why do you think the guy in the trucker hat is a leftist?
