Seems like a pretty reasonable course for a farmer to take. Livestock don’t have clocks, after all.
That’s what I do with the automated cat feeders. Cats do not observe daylight savings time.
Wasn’t daylight savings time designed specifically for this man?
No. Cows need milking at the same time of day every day regardless of how humans fuck with the clock.
Yeah, but they are able to adapt to it too.
It’s a common myth that farmers want daylight savings, but farmers are actually usually quite opposed to it. Daylight savings was originally proposed as a way to conserve energy, but it wasn’t put into practice until the world wars, where energy conservation was actually important.
Ok but hes actually got it backwards. Standard time is those four months in winter, and we use daylight savings time during the summer.
True. But depending on where on earth you are located and what time zone that location follows, DST is closer to the real Solar Time (12 o’clock is Solar noon). Like Poland follows CEST but in the eastern part of the country the Solar time is close to an hour ahead. So DST is more in sync to the actual natural time.
CE(S)T reaches all the way to Finisterre in (Spanish) Galicia, well past Greenwich, which should be one hour behind, so basically at least 3 times zones. I blame Hitler.
Which is why I specify tz database timezones, like “America/New York”. Pick the one that’s the city closest to you and will be on the same daylight savings time switchover dates. Then don’t worry about specifying EST or EDT or whatever.
I’ve never heard anyone who likes DST… this thread confirms my bias. Arizona has it right. We have internet now, no need to change clocks, just update your schedules for the season.
I like DST. I just don’t like changing the clocks. Permanent DST would be the ideal imo
They tried that for a year or two in the 70s. Everyone hated it.
Who is “they”? Also, most of the world doesn’t have DST and they seem to be doing okay.
The US at least I think some of Europe was involved, and that’s what I was saying. We tried full time DST and it doesn’t work.
“Everyone” hates the status quo, too. And I bet if we made it standard time year round, “everyone” would hate that.
To clarify, they hated it enough to change it back to switching twice a year.
I don’t understand why so many people care about it. It’s never been a bother other than that one night you lose an hour of sleep.
There’s a spike in car accidents, accidental deaths and general loss of productivity for around a week at both times when we change the clock every year.
A single person losing an hour of sleep is manageable, but it becomes problematic when it’s EVERYONE. It literally kills people.
one night!? my sleep is fucked for a good month (granted my sleep is fucked regardless, but it sure doesn’t help!)
I think it’s mostly retail lobbies that care about it. So it’s the law of the land.
I would go one step further, just get rid of timezone completely and just get up at different times depending on where you are on the planet.
Please think how confusing this would be to talk to your overseas friends. It doesn’t actually solve the issue, just pushes the confusion into a different metric that is also hard to track. People in 23/24 time zones will also have a “different” schedule to adapt to.
“It’s 10AM here. What time is it there?” “Also 10AM.” “Oh. Um… the sunrise is at 7AM here, so 3 hours past that. What about you?” “Well, the sunset is at 5AM here, so it’s almost bedtime.” “Let’s meet tomorrow night then.” Do you mean when the clock says PM, or when it’s physically dark here?"
It’s a contrived example because you wouldn’t ask “what time is it there?” in a world where everywhere uses the same timezone
Real convenient to always ask “how many hours is that from the typical time you wake up in” or “in what position is sun to the horizon” or something lol.
It’d take some getting used to for sure. “So, when do you sleep? Uh, not in a creepy way, I mean because of the time zone thing!”
Yes. That’s the point. What question would you ask otherwise? Because it’s not a standard question that exists right now.
It’s introducing a new concept that’s just as confusing, but without a common reference point. “When is day for you?” “What’s your light schedule?”
If you want to use a single time for everyone, we already have GMT, no one uses it for daily use because it’s obtuse as hell if you don’t live within an hour or two of it.
Not the original commenter, but why couldn’t it be more like “John sleeps from 12-20:00 and is usually working from 21-5:00” and “Stacy sleeps from 8:00-16:00 and works from 17-1:00”, so Stacy and John decide to plan their video call for 6:00-7:00? Like I don’t super care what light schedule it is, more what my friends schedules are specifically, right? And the question could just be, “What times are you available?”
So instead of looking up what time it is somewhere, you’d have to look up their local offset and mentally recalibrate what all the numbers mean in relation to time of day?
That sounds an awful lot like timezones. I already do this when I’m in a different timezone or when someone else I know is.
I did this one year. It was better. It just feels like normal time. I don’t actually remember it being a problem at all and my morning/evening was better.
It becomes a problem when you now have to work at other times and when you have to go shopping in the morning/evening.
The amount of times I’ve heard someone say ‘its for the farmers’ as if farmers have ever given a fuck what the clock says.
Farmer here. I like daylight saving time. It saves us from getting up at 4:30am during the summer. Now if yall want to stay on daylight time year-round and not get on standard time in the winter, well that is just fine by me.
So what if the clock says 4:30 am? It’s the same time in that you’re working the same daylight. All removing it would do for you is change the number on your clock, but for the people who work on set schedules it would change our needing to fuck with our sleep schedules twice a year
No, not exactly. We work on set schedules too for the most part. I have employees who have lives outside of their work. With daylight savings we start work at the same time everyday. If we’d remove it, then I have to ask them to come in an hour early during harvest. I also have a life outside my farm. I have kids who have to get to school in the morning.
I agree that changing the clocks is bad. All I am saying is do not get rid of daylight savings time. Get rid of standard time. Let’s stay on daylight savings forever, so both farmers and non-farmers are happy.
I think it’s for us postal workers, so we can sleep in for an hour right before pre-Black Friday and Black Friday and Black Friday Returns and Christmas and Christmas Returns. And then when we’re finally done with Valentine’s Card season we pay it back right before Tax Return season
Maybe, though I feel like this is a pretty extreme solution. It is the government though.
My dad did that one year lol. Refused to change his clocks or personal routine. Dunno if he was able to stick with it or not — but it was funny to hear him talk so seriously about why he “refuses to abide by such an arbitrary concept that makes his life harder, by having to adjust his body’s schedule”
His face had such a straight up “nope, fuck all that” look about it, it cracked me up lmao
If it’s only four months then he doesn’t care about standard time, we are actually on daylight savings time for the majority of the year.
Which is pretty wild when you think about it. The darkest, coldest, most depressing time if the year we let the sun set super early.
I don’t care which is used, so long as it sticks to one
most depressing time
For some of us summer is the most depressing time of the year js
I definitely get that. There’s something to be said about existing in a molen hellscape. (And odd that we opt for more of this by making the sun set later.)
He’s not a slave to big chronometer.
Some people willingly handcuff themselves to one.
I work for a Chinese company and my colleagues treat daylight savings time as an inexplicable religious ritual that they indulgently accommodate us ptimitives iin.
It is a ridiculous thing, but it doesn’t strike them as odd that their own country has just one timezone despite being wider than the USA?
I’d be happy if the whole planet had the same timezone. Just adjust your personal life to global time, rather than expecting time to adjust to anyone’s work/school timetable.
What a fucking mess that would be, nobody would have any idea what time of day anyone was talking about when they said “8 o’clock”. You’d always have to check. Now you only have to check if you want stuff to happen simultaneously.
There’s a good reason time zones exist and why shit doesn’t work so well in China with just one. “Work starts at 8” might have a pretty different meaning to different parts over there lmao.
As a programmer I would love that. But as a person it does make more sense to go “it’s 4am in California, that person is probably sleeping” than “it’s 11am, what is the sun situation like in California rn?”
As a programmer who works with people on both side of the pond, it often doesn’t matter what time it is there, as they’re not necessarily working standard hours anyway. They have families and errands and choose to work overnight essentially at random, so we’ve adapted to communicating asynchronously for 90% of our work.
The best counter point I’ve heard for it is that a date change would happen in the middle of the work day for half the world. That does sound tough to deal with
Just abolish dates and use Unix Timestamp for everything.
“See you this evening at 1728326925, okay?”
And abolish celebrating birthdays too?
No, you can celebrate your Arch installation anniversary once every thirty million seconds.
Birthdays could happen on the same interval as always
Considering that there are quite a few people with unusual sleep and/or work schedules that doesn’t help nearly as much as you would think.
How about ‘the majority of businesses, offices, and people are active from 8-10 or whatever, so when my plane lands at 11:00 am in Tokyo, I can be reasonably confident that I will be able to do standard human business things’ versus, what time does Tokyo wake up?
Also every city and even neighborhoods would end up disjointed and on their own system since even just a few miles can make a big difference on when the sun sets and rises.
Timezones were made specifically to link people that were geographically far apart, we had a time before time zones, and people missed their trains all the time because 9pm meant something to pretty much every single person.
I am one of the people with unusual sleep schedules. If you know someone well enough to know their personal timezone then you can use that regardless. It’s still useful to know the hours a country usually operates in.
I feel the same as a programmer. Also time zones.
I would totally agree if Beijing didn’t force the rest of China to use their time zone, lol. Noon in Western China is nuts to experience.
Isn’t daylight savings time 8 months of the year? The four “winter” months are when we’re on standard time, so seems like it would be pretty easy to ignore DST during those 4 months. Or maybe I am misinterpreting?
For some people who can’t be fucked to care about it (like me, and the person in the original post) it’s the changing of the clocks we call daylight saving(s) time, not a particular time zone designation or whatever.
“Don’t forget, it’s daylight savings time this weekend”… “not again! which way do I move my clock?”
We don’t care about the details and we don’t care what it’s acktually called, we just want to never do it again. Pick a time and stick with it.
It’s for big candy big bbq to have more daylight to sell more candy and bbq before the sun goes down
When working with a flexible schedule I do this too. Having your own timezone can be convinient.
This is the level of not giving a damn I want to reach.
