• Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
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    Technically, her last scenes were in Redemption, as Sela. And her last scenes as Tasha were in Yesterday’s Enterprise.

    But Rick Berman is, has been, and always will be scum. The way he treated the women on-set was worse than Roddenberry.

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    That’s actually such a sweet piece of Trek history — props like that are basically “physical memories.” Also, wild how much lore can live in something the size of a coin. 🖖

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    One time I was seated near to Denise on a flight and she was drunk as a LORD, but now I understand it’s probably something Rick did. This was like 2016 and anyway this story has no point

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        Fair fair

        The other bit I remember is that she had just finished a con and TBF I’d get drunk as hell in first class if I were in her shoes

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    He probably doesn’t remember. Dude’s 80 years old. I’ve never met anyone over the age of 70 who wasn’t effectively mentally disabled.

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          Realistically, at old age, your mental state is often tied to physical state. Politicians aren’t really the types that go to gym. Well, there’s that Schwarzenegger guy

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          disliking their politics doesn’t excuse ageism nor ableism. the fact that y’all jump there so readily and none of the mods do anything is telling.

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            Why would mods remove opinions? I’m allowed to say kids are stupid just as much as elderly are stupid, and humans are stupid. I can’t however say that you are stupid as that would suddenly be a direct insult, not an opinion about age group.

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      Sure but Rick is very well known for how he interacted and treated female cast. Famously most will know of Farrell being fired from DS9.

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        Is that why she left DS9? I never new, I thought she quit to do another TV or movie or something.

        I don’t follow the behind the scenes stuff on trek very closely… anyone wanna give me a link or a quick summery on Berman’s Bullshit?

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          iirc it’s a bit between, she wanted some flexibility in her schedule to pursue other projects while staying on DS9, Berman said “lolno get fucked”

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            There has been a off-handed remark I heard on The Delta Flyers that Colm must have had so much time off to film other things in his contract and Terry saying that is why they never got to do anything.

            EDIT: Basically any time Colm isn’t in an episode of DS9, he was off filming other things.

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        I remember seeing an interview where she quit because of the grueling schedule where she had to be on set at like 4-5am but had to wait for her scene to be ready. Almost right after the word came out she was regretting her decision.

        Now I think Rick might have heard of her complaining and “helped her out”

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      Don’t know about Berman’s mental state, but I know of plenty of old people who didn’t lose their marbles. My granny for one remembers anything since the dawn of time or at least from her 95 years of living.

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        What you actually do in retirement matters a lot too. I noticed a huge difference between one who challenged herself mentally and one who watched TV while drinking beer all day.

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          Not entirely. I remember there was a neurological study of nuns. The oldest ones were riddled with Alzheimer’s, but they had a rich social life. Despite the diagnosis, they were still plenty sharp.

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          The way Denise (who knows him better than we do) reacted imo suggests she too thinks he’s making shit up (again). But sure, he’d just have to say “sorry, I seem to have misremembered this. In the future, I will try to check with others before I publicly post about distant memories.”

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            not to defend berman, but:

            1. do you really think people should check with others before “posting distant memories on a twitter”?
            2. crosby was leaving the show voluntarily, which i think changes context of this story
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              Why does her leaving voluntarily change things? People who quit a job still deserve respect.

              Regardless, I’m more concerned about the original behaviour than whether he remembered it or not. A forgetful asshole is still an asshole.

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                because it sounds like “he forced her out somehow and then he was an asshole to her”, sort of what happened with farell, but it is a different situation.

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                except that is not what happened. she left because she felt she is not going to become a star there and she will have bigger chance elsewhere.

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                  Both things can be correct. She felt her like her character wasn’t going to go anywhere and was just becoming the “hot blonde” character which she understandably didn’t want. That was the show-runners treating her like shit, and her feeling like she wasn’t going to become a star there.

                  Given how Trek has treated women characters up to the current day, I’m not sure she was wrong.

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              If you’re posting about the actions of someone else, and if you’re presenting it as fact, then yes.

              His memories of an interaction with Crosby do not belong only to him. And she has the right to correct him - especially since the truth makes him out to be far less than he’s presenting himself as.

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              If they have a history of misremembering and have been called out before, yes. Especially if they’re essentially doing PR, like he is doing here.

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                  He’s still attached to the Trek franchise and benefits if in the public’s perception his relationship with cast and crew is seen as friendly. He told this story to shape that perception, to make people say, “aw, cute, she wanted him to have her badge, they must be good friends.”

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              I was too lazy to make it but I was thinking earlier today of doing a “I hate nutrek because it’s derivative and centrist, you hate it because you are a nazi, we are not the same” meme. (Not that I’m calling you a nazi, this was just an idea I had, not directed at you)

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              Only idiots dislike it for that reason. I dislike it because of its atrocious writing, and its attempts to be progressive are incredibly shallow because the writers are out of touch hollywood socialites.

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                I’ve been rewatching TOS. Atrocious writing, you say?

                What do you think is shallow about their attempts at being progressive? Having multiple POC and LGBTQ characters, including a married couple seems like the next logical step for the series and is still fairly progressive for a mainstream sci-fi series. Even The Orville, which I’ve heard people say is better than nutrek, is barely as progressive as even TNG. What did they do wrong with these characters? Genuinely. My main issue with nutrek is the melodrama. So many times while watching Discovery my wife and I would be saying to the screen “You’re all about to die, you can hug cry and talk later!”

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                  Just having POC and LGBTQ representation isn’t all that’s needed to deliver a progressive message. You also need to incorporate plotlines that thoughtfully explore themes related to their modern-day struggles. Old trek, namely TNG and DS9, did this well because they had writers that were genuinely progressive for their time (and even for this time if we’re being honest) and actually understood the politics. Despite being held back on direct representation (Garak and Bashir), they were still able to get their message across through the plot structure and story beats.

                  Nutrek goes all-in on representation, but completely falls flat when they attempt to go any deeper because they don’t understand the issues.

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                  Disco lost me when I got to the episode where everyone is going to die unless the main character cAn tAlK tO a bOy aT tHe dAnCe!

                  Lower Decks was fun though. And I’ve watched like, 1 episode of SNW but it was a good pilot. Haven’t plumbed the depths of the rest of nutrek yet.

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      How do you know though? Maybe he did it quite ceremoniously just to be an asshole and rub it in?

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      At the time, very much akin to ceremony. Women are generally treated better these days (but still not like they should be treated), but in the 90s they were very much looked upon like meat with pretty packaging.